Domi for 8

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Créé par: sabertooth12

Équipe: 2020-21 Sabres de Buffalo

Date de création initiale: 3 juill. 2020

Publié: 3 juill. 2020

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These are all the players from the 2013-2015 draft (23-25yrs old) that I believe are worth the 8th overall pick and are not considered "superstars", but elite. I have their ppg over the past 2 seasons and average GAR%/xGAR% percentile among forwards over the past two seasons. As a Sabres fan, I think Reinhart is a good reference point. From this list, the only ones that may be available are Domi, Ehlers, Cirelli. This list in my opinion proves that Domi belongs in this elite group of top 6 forwards and is worth 8th overall.

Monahan .88 2013 79.3%
Lindholm .87 2013 89.7%
Larkin .86 2014 89.3%
Boeser .80 2015 84.4%
Meier .78 2015 89.2%
Mantha .78 2013 85.8%
Reinhart .76 2014 87.9%
Domi .76 2013 88.5%
Horvat .75 2013 75%
Konecny .74 2015 89.1%
Ehlers .71 2014 90.1%
Strome .70 2015 78.3%
Nylander .70 2014 83.6%
Cirelli .55 2015 96.4%

-For anyone thinking they would rather have the 8th overall, look at that forward group and specifically top 6 and tell me that isn't mouth watering.
-Domi starts at C, Cozens takes off-hand faceoffs and is eventually groomed into the position. I think he is capable of starting on the second line, but he will get some pressure taken off of him at wing, especially playing with 2 really good, fast skating transition forwards like Skins and Domi
-Putting Mitts at 3C with two talented wingers will be a good test for him, if he can't succeed with these two, he likely never will. If he still isn't part of our long term plans, the worst this could do is increase his trade value for a future RD or something
-Brodie might be an overpay, but his analytics are great and he is the perfect 2nd pairing bridge for Samuelsson/Johnson and wont let the Sabres rush their development
-1 year deal for Montour, he either proves he can be a part of this core or we move on, simple as that. But I think he deserves one more chance
-I have no clue what to do with backup goalie, we gotta either buy out Hutton and find a cheap guy or roll with him. Maybe toss him in with retained salary in the Dallas trade bc they are losing Khudobin and try to find someone else

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Domi, Max	5	6 500 000 $
Kahun, Dominik	2	3 000 000 $
Lazar, Curtis	1	700 000 $
Mittelstadt, Casey	2	1 200 000 $
Montour, Brandon	1	4 000 000 $
Olofsson, Victor	5	4 750 000 $
Reinhart, Sam	6	7 000 000 $
Thompson, Tage	1	950 000 $
Ullmark, Linus	2	2 500 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Larsson, Johan		3	3 000 000 $
Brodie, TJ		3	5 500 000 $

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BUF

Domi, Max [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CHI)

Détails additionnels:

The draft pick evens it out I think, as it isn't as fair straight up. A player like Josh Brook would work here too

MTL

Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BUF)

BUF

Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (DAL)

Détails additionnels:

Risto is worth a late first, it will be from Dallas, Winnipeg, or Calgary if they do well in these coming playoffs

DAL

Ristolainen, Rasmus
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (BUF)

Rachats de contrats

Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $

Enfoui

Tage Thompson: 0 $ (950 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	81 500 000 $	82 993 334 $	1 487 500 $	4 337 500 $	-1 493 334 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Olofsson, Victor 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Eichel, Jack 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ C UFA - 6	Reinhart, Sam 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Skinner, Jeff 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ AG, AD NMC UFA - 7	Domi, Max 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Cozens, Dylan 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) C, AG UFA - 3
Johansson, Marcus 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Mittelstadt, Casey 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ AG, C RFA - 1	Kahun, Dominik 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 1
Asplund, Rasmus 845 000 $845 000 $ AG, C RFA - 1	Larsson, Johan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Okposo, Kyle 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD M-NTC UFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Dahlin, Rasmus 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) DG/DD UFA - 1		Hutton, Carter 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Brodie, TJ 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Miller, Colin 3 875 000 $3 875 000 $ DD UFA - 2
McCabe, Jake 2 850 000 $2 850 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Jokiharju, Henri 925 000 $925 000 $ (637 500 $$638K) DD RFA - 1	Ullmark, Linus 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Montour, Brandon 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Lazar, Curtis 700 000 $700 000 $ AD, C UFA - 2

3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 3

habsrule10101

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I like this trade for habs. Yes Domi has played well, but Montreal is a bubble team in the Atlantic every year with With Boston, Tampa, Toronto trio, with Florida having a bad year (i blame Bobrosky). Montreal will then have pick 8 & 9 (If miss playoffs and doesn't get lucky in lottery), and can get 2 quality young players, let them develop for a year, then bring up all the kids in 2021-22 season.

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 8

SlevinKalevra

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I think the days of Risto getting you a first are over. I could be wrong but his value has def taken a hit. Sending a third back may work but not a 2022 third lol. Maybe retain a million and keep the pick?

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 11

dzmets

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I like this roster build. 3 million I think is too much for Larrson. I think 2-2.25 is a fair range for him

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 14

Timmah007

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Good job

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 15

EnvironmentalTwister

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Domi's career to this date is basically what an 8th overall pick should be

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 16

OrganizedConfusion55

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Not bad, only comment is we wont get that long of a term with Olofsson if he is only making 4.75. 4.75 would be for 2 maybe 3 years at the high end.

3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 30

sabertooth12

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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55

Not bad, only comment is we wont get that long of a term with Olofsson if he is only making 4.75. 4.75 would be for 2 maybe 3 years at the high end.

I think we could, I don't think he has a ton of leverage in negotiation since he was strapped to Eichel's hip and he's aready 25

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 32

sabertooth12

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Quoting: habsrule10101

I'm a Sabres fan and I agree, both teams can turn into strong contenders in the division in the next 2-3 years. Also having 2 top 10 picks absolutely guarantees at least one of them will be elite.

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 34

sabertooth12

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Quoting: SlevinKalevra

Yeah I agree, the only thing potentially keeping him from fetching a 1st is his contract. I would take a 2nd and a B+ or cheap backup goalie. Either way, this roster build makes sure that whatever his return is will not be vital for the 2021 season

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 35

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Quoting: dzmets

I like this roster build. 3 million I think is too much for Larrson. I think 2-2.25 is a fair range for him

He's a UFA and a top 10 defensive forward in the league. The Sabres need him back and I think there will be a strong market for him, hence the price

3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 35

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sabertooth12

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Quoting: EnvironmentalTwister

Domi's career to this date is basically what an 8th overall pick should be

100%

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 37

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Kotkaniemi15

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Quoting: habsrule10101

I don’t think that everyone (8th, 9th, AND other prospects) will be ready in 21-22, but that is a good thing, since we don’t have room for everyone.

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 42

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sabertooth12

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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15

I don’t think that everyone (8th, 9th, AND other prospects) will be ready in 21-22, but that is a good thing, since we don’t have room for everyone.

It also provides some valuable insurance with Danault, Tatar, Gallagher, and Petry all being UFA's next summer. You guys will need a glut of high-end young players to replace some of them

3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 47

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OldNYIfan

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This is extremely well reasoned. It is the perfect refutation of the Hertl-for-the-eighth nonsense that was so popular last week. Personally, I think you'd have to add your 2020 fourth, but you've got the basic value right.

I think @dzmets is more likely to be right on Larsson than you are, and I agree with @SlevinKalevra that Ristolainen doesn't get you a first. But you've created a very strong roster with a good future here. Well done!!

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 47

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OrganizedConfusion55

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Quoting: sabertooth12

I think we could, I don't think he has a ton of leverage in negotiation since he was strapped to Eichel's hip and he's aready 25

Him being 25 is one of the reasons why I think he won't sign that long of term at 4.75. We are buying 2 years of UFA with a 5 year contract.

I also estimated he would also get 4.75, but I think it will be similar to Reinhart, shorter term. If he goes with 5 years, I would wager his contract will be about a million more per season.

Overall I like the build though.

Oh sorry one more comment, I would bench okposo for Lazar haha.

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 51

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sabertooth12

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Thanks, it takes a bit of research and knowing the perspectives of the teams you are trading with, also Evolving Hockey is huge. I would overpay for Larsson if needed, and for the purposes of this team, Risto's return doesn't really matter, just getting his cap hit off the books.

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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 54

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sabertooth12

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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55

Thanks man. You know, I actually love Okposo in a 4th line role. He has some of the skill and hockey IQ of the player he used to be, but his speed is gone. I just wish we were playing 1.5 mil for him and not 6 haha, that will be a huge talking point next summer when we need to resign Dahlin

3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 56

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I don’t think it’s bad, but for me it all depends on who else is on the table when our choice. If there is Rossi or Raymond, I would not trade #8 and would find the center elsewhere.

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3 juill. 2020 à 13 h 0

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Quoting: sabertooth12

He's a UFA and a top 10 defensive forward in the league. The Sabres need him back and I think there will be a strong market for him, hence the price

He is excellent defensively but contracts are typically structured around counting stats and Larsson has yet to eclipse 20 points in a season and is 27. He is a excellent 4th line center that can play on your third line in a pinch. If we have to commit those kinds of dollars O would want someone who might not be as good defensively but can bring me 25 to 30 points maybe 35 in a great year. Carl Soderberg someone along those lines

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3 juill. 2020 à 13 h 1

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I think the Habs should take this based on where they are going and what type of identity they want to have. But believe me MB isn't going to be taken this. He wants to win now because...you know......Weber and Price yada yada yada.

3 juill. 2020 à 13 h 3

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Kotkaniemi15

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Modifié 3 juill. 2020 à 13 h 11

Quoting: sabertooth12

It also provides some valuable insurance with Danault, Tatar, Gallagher, and Petry all being UFA's next summer. You guys will need a glut of high-end young players to replace some of them

I doubt we lose more than one of those players to free agency, but we’ll definitely have a bunch of prospects able to steal a roster spot.

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3 juill. 2020 à 13 h 3

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sabertooth12

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Quoting: SalamiCheese

I don’t think it’s bad, but for me it all depends on who else is on the table when our choice. If there is Rossi or Raymond, I would not trade #8 and would find the center elsewhere.

Fair point. For me, I think the only one is Rossi, who is arguably already NHL ready. Holtz and Raymond are intriguing but they are gonna take some years of development, both have pretty small frames and were barely SHL ready last year. If the pick would be Lundell, I say trade it even though I like him as a player. I think Perfetti is a horrible fit in Buffalo and I probably wouldn't consider him at any spot.

3 juill. 2020 à 13 h 5

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sabertooth12

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Quoting: dzmets

True, Larsson will likely cost less, but at least that gives us less of a cap hit in this model and doesn't effect the overall structure of the team. My whole point is pretty much resign him no matter what bc his game is exactly what this team needs

3 juill. 2020 à 13 h 6

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villenash

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I like this roster, and I agree a few other posters.

Larsson is a bit overpaid. Olofsson is a bit underpaid for the term.

I would also trade Montour and bring up Borgen or another d prospect to fill the 3RD -- that will help with the cap issues too and allow you to fill out a full 23-man roster as opposed to 21 like you have now.

3 juill. 2020 à 13 h 7

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sabertooth12

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Quoting: F50marco

This deal doesn't mean you can't swing one for a good LD or something. Romanov will be solid, Mete is solid, all you need is a solid free agent signing to shore that up

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