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3 juill. 2020 à 3 h 36
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Not worth it for Columbus. It really all depends on Montour contract. Maybe we flip him to someone for something then maybe but if he wants more then 3 mil he’s not worth it for Columbus to be the 5th-7th D.
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3 juill. 2020 à 3 h 38
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Wennberg is not a player I have even the slightest bit of interest in. He's soft, weak, and overpaid.
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3 juill. 2020 à 3 h 39
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Not worth it for Columbus. It really all depends on Montour contract. Maybe we flip him to someone for something then maybe but if he wants more then 3 mil he’s not worth it for Columbus to be the 5th-7th D.


Montour would be 4 to 4.5 and he would be on their 2nd pair, not even a question. In a down year for Montour, coming off surgery, he is better and also younger than Savard. I dont know where this Montour is a bad 7th dman garbage started, the illusory truth effect again, slwaus on Sabres players, even though the Sabres d was top 12 in almost every category on the year 5v5
3 juill. 2020 à 3 h 40
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Wennberg is not a player I have even the slightest bit of interest in. He's soft, weak, and overpaid.


True but you surround him with talent, if he cant produce then, dump him to Seattle, Cozens takes his spot (probably by mid season)
3 juill. 2020 à 5 h 0
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Why would Seattle take Wennberg off our hands?
They aren’t gonna want that garbage contract
And they’ll have much better options to choose from

Dude averages like 5goals a year
If he’s our plan for 2C...
then just trade Eichel now & spare him more misery
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3 juill. 2020 à 5 h 5
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Not worth it for Columbus. It really all depends on Montour contract. Maybe we flip him to someone for something then maybe but if he wants more then 3 mil he’s not worth it for Columbus to be the 5th-7th D.


You’d be lucky to even get Montour in this crappy deal
You’d have to pay just to get rid of Wennberg & his brutal contract
3 juill. 2020 à 7 h 18
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You’d be lucky to even get Montour in this crappy deal
You’d have to pay just to get rid of Wennberg & his brutal contract


Agreed I would like a better option than Wennberg as my 2C but this is definitely not the worst option. Wennberg is a true two way center and is very good defensively. Also while he is overpaid to buy him out is not all that much. Less than 1 million cap hit per year. So if it does not work out you walk away after 1 year. I think he is much better suited for 3 or 4C but if there is not a better option available with more offensive upside I would rather see this player then counting on Cozens as 2C right away or playing Johannson there. I think this player is similar to that of Haula and with Haula you have a similar risk reward, but will be very hard to convince UFA to come to Buffalo at this point without overpaying him. If you do that then you are stuck with his contract as a buyout will be much more punitive.
3 juill. 2020 à 11 h 39
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Agreed I would like a better option than Wennberg as my 2C but this is definitely not the worst option. Wennberg is a true two way center and is very good defensively. Also while he is overpaid to buy him out is not all that much. Less than 1 million cap hit per year. So if it does not work out you walk away after 1 year. I think he is much better suited for 3 or 4C but if there is not a better option available with more offensive upside I would rather see this player then counting on Cozens as 2C right away or playing Johannson there. I think this player is similar to that of Haula and with Haula you have a similar risk reward, but will be very hard to convince UFA to come to Buffalo at this point without overpaying him. If you do that then you are stuck with his contract as a buyout will be much more punitive.


Well hopefully there’s a better option,
Bc Wennberg at 2C would suck imo

If we were gonna acquire him though,
CBj should be giving us something to take him
Idc how good he is defensively...
5goals a year for 5mil is just brutal

And if we did bring him in,
then i really think you do have to put him on “line3” in a more defensive role & then just go with Cozens or Mittelstadt as the “2nd line” Center and just try to shelter them with as much offensive zone starts & as many favorable matchups as possible

And if we’re doing that...
then might as well not bring Wennberg in at all
Just re-sign Larsson for half the cost (or less) and use him in that role that we’ve seen him be good at for the last 2years

That’s just me though
3 juill. 2020 à 11 h 54
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Well hopefully there’s a better option,
Bc Wennberg at 2C would suck imo

If we were gonna acquire him though,
CBj should be giving us something to take him
Idc how good he is defensively...
5goals a year for 5mil is just brutal

And if we did bring him in,
then i really think you do have to put him on “line3” in a more defensive role & then just go with Cozens or Mittelstadt as the “2nd line” Center and just try to shelter them with as much offensive zone starts & as many favorable matchups as possible

And if we’re doing that...
then might as well not bring Wennberg in at all
Just re-sign Larsson for half the cost (or less) and use him in that role that we’ve seen him be good at for the last 2years

That’s just me though


Wennberg has shown that he has higher offensive potential than Larsson. His buyout is so cheap I would expect Columbus to buy him out if he doesn't get any return via trade. I would like to being Larrson back on the fourth line for one more year and he can play up on the third line if he can't cut it there. But as a second line center I think that is a bad idea. Again if Wennberg doesn't pan out you just buy him out and this is only as a last resort if a higher end 2C bridge center option cannot be found
3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 52
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Montour would be 4 to 4.5 and he would be on their 2nd pair, not even a question. In a down year for Montour, coming off surgery, he is better and also younger than Savard. I dont know where this Montour is a bad 7th dman garbage started, the illusory truth effect again, slwaus on Sabres players, even though the Sabres d was top 12 in almost every category on the year 5v5


Savard is miles better then Montour defensively. And Jones is miles better all around. Montour would be on the 3rd pair with Murray or Nuttivaara and tbh we already have both of them so he’s really unneeded for us.
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You’d be lucky to even get Montour in this crappy deal
You’d have to pay just to get rid of Wennberg & his brutal contract


I don’t disagree that Wennberg has been bad, but Columbus looks at the trade and says we don’t even won’t Montour. He’d be on our 3rd pair with Murray or Nuttivaara. Not something we really would need to acquire.
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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 56
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I don’t disagree that Wennberg has been bad, but Columbus looks at the trade and says we don’t even won’t Montour. He’d be on our 3rd pair with Murray or Nuttivaara. Not something we really would need to acquire.


Fair point sir
Good luck against the Leafs!
I hate them, lol
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3 juill. 2020 à 12 h 59
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Wennberg has shown that he has higher offensive potential than Larsson. His buyout is so cheap I would expect Columbus to buy him out if he doesn't get any return via trade. I would like to being Larrson back on the fourth line for one more year and he can play up on the third line if he can't cut it there. But as a second line center I think that is a bad idea. Again if Wennberg doesn't pan out you just buy him out and this is only as a last resort if a higher end 2C bridge center option cannot be found


I’m not saying put Larsson at 2C
I’m saying that if the best we can do is Wennberg,
then I’d rather play Cozens or Mitts in an offensive 2C role and just try to shelter them
That would put Wennberg in a defensive 3C role
But if we’re gonna do that, then just move up Larsson to 3C for half the price

I just don’t see a “good” fit for Wennberg at any slot in our lineup whatsoever
3 juill. 2020 à 13 h 8
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I’m not saying put Larsson at 2C
I’m saying that if the best we can do is Wennberg,
then I’d rather play Cozens or Mitts in an offensive 2C role and just try to shelter them
That would put Wennberg in a defensive 3C role
But if we’re gonna do that, then just move up Larsson to 3C for half the price

I just don’t see a “good” fit for Wennberg at any slot in our lineup whatsoever


I would rather play someone at 2C Wennberg who has done it successfully in the nhl before (I realize we are going back 3 and 4 seasons for that, but he is not old and has not had any major injuries so this is hope that playing with better players he can regain that form) rather than Mitts who has failed so far in that role and has proven to be a defensive liability or Cozens who has not played a minute in the nhl yet. Larrson has been never eclipsed 20 points in his career and is 27. Great for PK and 4th line C but would like to see his minutes down this year with hopefully more strength up the middle. Hopefully by the end of the year Cozens is ready forn1C and then 2021-2022 you are set down the middle Jack 1C, Cozens 2C, Wennberg 3C and Larrson 4C. Mitts can then move to the wing where he is likely better suited at the nhl level and that eliminates some of the defensive liability that has been such a struggle for him and frees him up to be more creative offensively
3 juill. 2020 à 14 h 34
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Well hopefully there’s a better option,
Bc Wennberg at 2C would suck imo

If we were gonna acquire him though,
CBj should be giving us something to take him
Idc how good he is defensively...
5goals a year for 5mil is just brutal

And if we did bring him in,
then i really think you do have to put him on “line3” in a more defensive role & then just go with Cozens or Mittelstadt as the “2nd line” Center and just try to shelter them with as much offensive zone starts & as many favorable matchups as possible

And if we’re doing that...
then might as well not bring Wennberg in at all
Just re-sign Larsson for half the cost (or less) and use him in that role that we’ve seen him be good at for the last 2years

That’s just me though


Wennburg comes cheap. They get Anderson. Wennberg gets to prove himself
3 juill. 2020 à 14 h 38
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Savard is miles better then Montour defensively. And Jones is miles better all around. Montour would be on the 3rd pair with Murray or Nuttivaara and tbh we already have both of them so he’s really unneeded for us.

https://public.tableau.com/shared/8J4N39RK6?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
In montour's worst season he was better than Savard. "Miles better" Youre going off of homer bias.
3 juill. 2020 à 15 h 23
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https://public.tableau.com/shared/8J4N39RK6?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
In montour's worst season he was better than Savard. "Miles better" Youre going off of homer bias.

Funny, I look at those charts and see an offensive defenseman (whom many of those stats favor) being compared to a defensive defenseman (for whom said stats tend to suffer). I'd suggest looking at those few stats that barely manage to hint at defensive prowess (such as expected goals against) and try re-evaluating. Montour might be better at several skills Savard doesn't have, but those skills are things we have in spades already (go ahead and try to act like he'd be a better offensive defenseman than the likes of Werenski or Jones, so we can come up with similar absurd fantasies about PLD outperforming Eichel), and what Savard is good at, we need.

It's not that Montour isn't valuable. It's that he's not a fit considering where our roster is right now. Jones would get the all-around minutes, and Savard would get the shutdown minutes, and Montour would have to be content with whatever's left. Not worth it.
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3 juill. 2020 à 15 h 37
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https://public.tableau.com/shared/8J4N39RK6?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
In montour's worst season he was better than Savard. "Miles better" Youre going off of homer bias.


Yes, because Columbus needs another offensive d... Savard is as I said miles better defensively. We don’t want Montour. He’d end up on the 3rd pair or as a healthy scratch unless he figured out his defensive zone. Tbh he’s also miles better then your beloved Rasums Ristolainen.
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Yes, because Columbus needs another offensive d... Savard is as I said miles better defensively. We don’t want Montour. He’d end up on the 3rd pair or as a healthy scratch unless he figured out his defensive zone. Tbh he’s also miles better then your beloved Rasums Ristolainen.


Those stats had both
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Those stats had both


Lmao. Yeah and Savard>>> Montour defensively. Unless I read it wrong that you want blue everywhere else and Red in the d zone.


Everything else aside I think you’re missing the point that Columbus just doesn’t want Montour. Savard and Jones are just fine for top 4 RHD so why not just stick with them and not screw with it. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
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Wennburg comes cheap. They get Anderson. Wennberg gets to prove himself


Jack most likely asks out if we don’t make the playoffs next year & you wanna pin our hopes on a guy who has to “prove himself”

No thanks dude. It’s a horrible idea
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I would rather play someone at 2C Wennberg who has done it successfully in the nhl before (I realize we are going back 3 and 4 seasons for that, but he is not old and has not had any major injuries so this is hope that playing with better players he can regain that form) rather than Mitts who has failed so far in that role and has proven to be a defensive liability or Cozens who has not played a minute in the nhl yet. Larrson has been never eclipsed 20 points in his career and is 27. Great for PK and 4th line C but would like to see his minutes down this year with hopefully more strength up the middle. Hopefully by the end of the year Cozens is ready forn1C and then 2021-2022 you are set down the middle Jack 1C, Cozens 2C, Wennberg 3C and Larrson 4C. Mitts can then move to the wing where he is likely better suited at the nhl level and that eliminates some of the defensive liability that has been such a struggle for him and frees him up to be more creative offensively


Wennberg at 2C equals no playoffs & Jack asks for a trade
No thanks
4 juill. 2020 à 9 h 28
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Wennberg at 2C equals no playoffs & Jack asks for a trade
No thanks


Maybe or maybe he goes back to form from 15-16 and 16-17 and he has 50-60 points plays a solid 2 way game and they make the playoffs without surrendering a major asset. In 21-22 he slides down to 3C gives you 30 - 40 points and plays a string defensive game as Cozens takes over 2C role. Not definitely going to work but is worth a shot and IMO has a better chance working then putting Mitts there or putting Cozens there right away.
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Maybe or maybe he goes back to form from 15-16 and 16-17 and he has 50-60 points plays a solid 2 way game and they make the playoffs without surrendering a major asset. In 21-22 he slides down to 3C gives you 30 - 40 points and plays a string defensive game as Cozens takes over 2C role. Not definitely going to work but is worth a shot and IMO has a better chance working then putting Mitts there or putting Cozens there right away.


Wennberg has ONE good (i guess u could call it good) 4 years ago
Pinning our hopes to keep Eichel on him getting back to that form is ridiculous
He’s had 3 “blah” seasons since
It’s pretty clear the one good one was the anomaly & he’s not that player

I can’t believe anyone would think risking it with him is a good idea...
4 juill. 2020 à 14 h 2
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Wennberg has ONE good (i guess u could call it good) 4 years ago
Pinning our hopes to keep Eichel on him getting back to that form is ridiculous
He’s had 3 “blah” seasons since
It’s pretty clear the one good one was the anomaly & he’s not that player

I can’t believe anyone would think risking it with him is a good idea...


He had three straight years on a 45 plus point per 82 game pace which is not great for a second line center but 8a above league average. His underlying stats XGA, XGA, PDO, point shares were well above average those seasons and the last couple of years his counting stats are down but the underlying numbers are at least average. These numbers make it reasonable to project given a 2C role with wingers like Skinner and Reino is that he should give 40 -45 points and if he takes a step forward 45 - 55 points. Not elite but certainly a drastic upgrade over what the Sabres have had since Oreilly left and he offers positive defensive impacts. I think it is much more reasonable to expect that from him than it would be from Mitts or Cozens. Again he is not my top choice but if you cannot get a UFA to sign here and there is nothing better available via trade or trade is too cost prohibitive then I think this is a better option than what we have inside the organization at this time.
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