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Goalie Change

Créé par: Richard88
Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 2 juill. 2020
Publié: 2 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
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32 750 000 $
22 250 000 $
1925 000 $
44 500 000 $
2750 000 $
Transactions
1.
COL
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
NYR
  1. Beaucage, Alex [Liste de réserve]
  2. Jost, Tyson [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
I'm not sure what Georgiev's value is, so feel free to make counter-proposals below.
2.
COL
  1. Labanc, Kevin [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (SJS)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (WSH)
Détails additionnels:
Avs get a top 6 forward and couple of picks.
SJS
  1. Grubauer, Philipp (1 333 333 $ retained)
  2. Zadorov, Nikita [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
San Jose get a starting goalie on the cheap for a year, and a big physical Dman to pair with Karlsson or Burns.
3.
COL
  1. Brown, Joshua [Droits de RFA]
FLA
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [Droits de RFA]
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 1
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DG
UFA - 3
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DD
UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 7
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UFA - 3
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UFA - 2
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DG/DD
RFA - 3
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DG/DD
UFA - 1
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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UFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance150 000 $$150K)
C
RFA - 2
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DD
UFA - 2
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2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 5
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Georgiev does not have this kind of value yet.
How many games has he played in the NHL? It's a double edged sword, works for and against him.
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 6
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2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 7
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Lol what. Why are the sharks adding picks in this deal that’s already super lopsided? No thanks Zhadorov is useless to us and there’s cheap goalies in FA
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 8
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Stop


I'm just playing around, relax
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 9
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I'm just playing around, relax


You're just inviting MTL fans to start making more price to colorado ACGMs... also grubauer is better
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 12
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Lol what. Why are the sharks adding picks in this deal that’s already super lopsided? No thanks Zhadorov is useless to us and there’s cheap goalies in FA


Why would this trade already be lopsided without picks?

San Jose have a short window to get the most out of Couture, Burns, Karlsson, etc before they age, and before Meier needs a big raise in 3 years. They need a big upgrade in net, which Grubauer provides at a really low cap hit.

Labanc is coming off a terrible season so you won't get full value for him.

Zadorov's value is somewhere around a 2nd + 3rd. The 2nd is admittedly a bit high, but you're getting some retention on Grubauer which I think makes it worth it.

Zadorov isn't useless btw. He'd be a perfect fit next to Burns or Karlsson, since Z likes to patrol the blueline while those two go wandering on offense.
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 13
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You're just inviting MTL fans to start making more price to colorado ACGMs... also grubauer is better


Grubauer might be better, but Francouz has done really well this season so I think he could be a solid 1A in a 1A/1B partnership with Georgiev potentially. Again, just playing with the idea.

As for MTL fans making Price to Colorado AGM's, I find those amusing(ly bad) so they can keep doing them for all I care tears of joy
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2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 19
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You're just inviting MTL fans to start making more price to colorado ACGMs... also grubauer is better


the only goalie trade that has even a bit of a chance of being a plausible exchange (and I dont even think its a good idea) is Grubi for Murray

IF

The avs believe they can lock up Murray for cheaper than what they could for Grubi and they are confident in their scouting that this year was an abnormality and banking on him returning to Cup winning performance. HUGE risk huge reward type move which is why I wouldnt like if they did it but there is somewhat of some logic behind it as looney tunes as it might seem
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2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 22
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Quoting: Richard88
Grubauer might be better, but Francouz has done really well this season so I think he could be a solid 1A in a 1A/1B partnership with Georgiev potentially. Again, just playing with the idea.

As for MTL fans making Price to Colorado AGM's, I find those amusing(ly bad) so they can keep doing them for all I care tears of joy


What's the point of downgrading at that position which is super important? You arent getting a significant piece in labanc..

The only reason people know who georgiev is outside of NY is because the leafs goaltending behind Andersen was so bad that they over publicized the availability of the rangers goaltenders. Also the leafs wont be able to afford freddy in 2 years so they were getting a jump start and hoping he would turn out to be a solid guy

Grubauer in net for the avs > labanc and georgiev
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 23
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the only goalie trade that has even a bit of a chance of being a plausible exchange (and I dont even think its a good idea) is Grubi for Murray

IF

The avs believe they can lock up Murray for cheaper than what they could for Grubi and they are confident in their scouting that this year was an abnormality and banking on him returning to Cup winning performance. HUGE risk huge reward type move which is why I wouldnt like if they did it but there is somewhat of some logic behind it as looney tunes as it might seem


You realize they were only interested in murray because he was available and they had 2 hurt goalies before going into the playoffs and wanted his experience... now that covid happened and they're health it's a non issue
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 25
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the only goalie trade that has even a bit of a chance of being a plausible exchange (and I dont even think its a good idea) is Grubi for Murray

IF

The avs believe they can lock up Murray for cheaper than what they could for Grubi and they are confident in their scouting that this year was an abnormality and banking on him returning to Cup winning performance. HUGE risk huge reward type move which is why I wouldnt like if they did it but there is somewhat of some logic behind it as looney tunes as it might seem


No idea how valid this is, but I heard Murray was looking for $8M+. That was before everything that happened this year though, so I don't know where his camp stands now.
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 26
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You realize they were only interested in murray because he was available and they had 2 hurt goalies before going into the playoffs and wanted his experience... now that covid happened and they're health it's a non issue


I am not talking about the deadline...They weren't trading for Murray at the deadline despite what Dater and his Pens writer buddy was starting to fabricate up.

I am just saying in General, as of now going into the offseason, that is the only trade has the slightest bit of logic to it. Pens have to trade a goalie and if Avs were In the goalie market this offseason its the only thing that you can put any sort of logic behind
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2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 28
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No idea how valid this is, but I heard Murray was looking for $8M+. That was before everything that happened this year though, so I don't know where his camp stands now.


If thats true then Murray is going to have a hard time finding work this offseason. pretty clear what happens when you pay goalies like him...example Price, Bob etc, those monster deals. Your team suffers bc you cant be competitive when you tie up 10m+ in your goalie tandem
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2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 32
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Why would this trade already be lopsided without picks?

San Jose have a short window to get the most out of Couture, Burns, Karlsson, etc before they age, and before Meier needs a big raise in 3 years. They need a big upgrade in net, which Grubauer provides at a really low cap hit.

Labanc is coming off a terrible season so you won't get full value for him.

Zadorov's value is somewhere around a 2nd + 3rd. The 2nd is admittedly a bit high, but you're getting some retention on Grubauer which I think makes it worth it.

Zadorov isn't useless btw. He'd be a perfect fit next to Burns or Karlsson, since Z likes to patrol the blueline while those two go wandering on offense.


I get what’s your saying and I think the trade is fair value but totally undoable.
Reasoning is sharks have only 1 RW in their top 3 lines and that’s Labanc, we trade him and we have nothing on the Right.
Sharks would be trading from Their weakest point on the team
And teams don’t usually do that.
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 34
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I am not talking about the deadline...They weren't trading for Murray at the deadline despite what Dater and his Pens writer buddy was starting to fabricate up.

I am just saying in General, as of now going into the offseason, that is the only trade has the slightest bit of logic to it. Pens have to trade a goalie and if Avs were In the goalie market this offseason its the only thing that you can put any sort of logic behind


The only thing that makes sense to me if they were looking for a goalie is signing lehner and trading grubauer, lehner at 6.5 now maybe better than grubauer at 6-8 in 2 years when landy and makar need deals

For me murray lost all my confidence in him this year
2 juill. 2020 à 11 h 34
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If thats true then Murray is going to have a hard time finding work this offseason. pretty clear what happens when you pay goalies like him...example Price, Bob etc, those monster deals. Your team suffers bc you cant be competitive when you tie up 10m+ in your goalie tandem


Yeah, goalies could end up being the RBs of the NHL in the near future (IMO). Occasionally you'll see the rare breed get a huge deal, but I think their salaries will be squeezed as GMs start viewing the difference between tiers to be too minor to justify tying up a high portion of the cap.
2 juill. 2020 à 12 h 1
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I get what’s your saying and I think the trade is fair value but totally undoable.
Reasoning is sharks have only 1 RW in their top 3 lines and that’s Labanc, we trade him and we have nothing on the Right.
Sharks would be trading from Their weakest point on the team
And teams don’t usually do that.


Meier and Hertl can both play on the right.... or am I missing something here?
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Yeah, goalies could end up being the RBs of the NHL in the near future (IMO). Occasionally you'll see the rare breed get a huge deal, but I think their salaries will be squeezed as GMs start viewing the difference between tiers to be too minor to justify tying up a high portion of the cap.


Agree. I think teams are increasingly seeing the value in having a 1A/1B tandem on more manageable contracts, rather than going with a huge contract. The biggest goalie contracts right now are all causing (or going to be causing) serious problems for their teams, including Price, Bobrovsky, Vasilevsky, and Lundqvist. It's hard to justify those contracts when there are so many good young athletic goalies breaking through now. The average spend on goalies is around $8m, and for that you can have a good 1A for around $5-6m, and a 1B for $2-3m. Colorado's goalie tandem (which The Athletic recently ranked No.1 in the league) is probably the model to strive to emulate, though that's easier said than done.
2 juill. 2020 à 12 h 13
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Meier and Hertl can both play on the right.... or am I missing something here?


Hertl is our best top line C he isn’t playing RW Anymore
Meir can play RW but he’s a LH shot so he’s better on the left.
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2 juill. 2020 à 12 h 18
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The only thing that makes sense to me if they were looking for a goalie is signing lehner and trading grubauer, lehner at 6.5 now maybe better than grubauer at 6-8 in 2 years when landy and makar need deals

For me murray lost all my confidence in him this year


thats why I said the Pro scouting is confident that they are once again finding a buy low candidate.
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2 juill. 2020 à 12 h 41
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thats why I said the Pro scouting is confident that they are once again finding a buy low candidate.


Yeah if you look at the types of deals Sakic has done in recent years "buy low" seems to be a pretty big criteria....

- Burakovsky for a 2nd + 3rd
- Grubauer (+Orpik buyout) for a 2nd
- Graves for Bigras
- Kadri + 3rd for a pending UFA (Barrie) + Kerfoot
- Namestnikov for 4th (rental?)


That's effectively a trade consisting of:

Starting goaltender + 2C + top 6 forward + top 4 LHD + 3rd line forward (rental) FOR 2 2nd's + 1 year of Barrie + Kerfoot + 4th + AHL Dman

Not to mention free agent signings like Francouz and Donskoi... or even the Duchene trade.

Overall it's an incredibly impressive body of work. And based on that track-record I could certainly see Sakic being interested in another buy-low candidate in Murray.
2 juill. 2020 à 13 h 47
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Why would this trade already be lopsided without picks?

San Jose have a short window to get the most out of Couture, Burns, Karlsson, etc before they age, and before Meier needs a big raise in 3 years. They need a big upgrade in net, which Grubauer provides at a really low cap hit.

Labanc is coming off a terrible season so you won't get full value for him.

Zadorov's value is somewhere around a 2nd + 3rd. The 2nd is admittedly a bit high, but you're getting some retention on Grubauer which I think makes it worth it.

Zadorov isn't useless btw. He'd be a perfect fit next to Burns or Karlsson, since Z likes to patrol the blueline while those two go wandering on offense.

I said Zadorov is useless to us. We have Vlasic Ferraro and Simek long term so we don’t have space to even play him unless we are sitting Simek which makes no sense. Maybe some other team will take him off your hands but it’s the last thing we need
2 juill. 2020 à 15 h 58
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I said Zadorov is useless to us. We have Vlasic Ferraro and Simek long term so we don’t have space to even play him unless we are sitting Simek which makes no sense. Maybe some other team will take him off your hands but it’s the last thing we need


Thanks for clarifying, that makes sense.

Btw, note that Zadorov can play the right side too. Not sure if that changes anything.
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2 juill. 2020 à 16 h 29
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Thanks for clarifying, that makes sense.

Btw, note that Zadorov can play the right side too. Not sure if that changes anything.

It makes him more appealing but also just is going to make too much to be a fit. This move would make sense if somehow we moved Vlasic for a right handed forward and then do this
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3 juill. 2020 à 6 h 57
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Georgiev does not have this kind of value yet.
How many games has he played in the NHL? It's a double edged sword, works for and against him.


77 in 3 seasons. Would you have liked for him to have been a fully established starter by now? Because goaltending often doesn't work that way, especially when you're sharing the crease with one of the greatest to ever play the position and the star prospect.
 
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