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Extreme moves to improve Lafrenier odds

Créé par: Campabee
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 27 juin 2020
Publié: 28 juin 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Both trades had to be overpays to get the potential lottery picks
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3925 000 $
3925 000 $
3700 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
86 000 000 $
52 200 000 $
32 500 000 $
3975 000 $
3725 000 $
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1850 000 $
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1800 000 $
2733 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
79 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Lafrenier, Alexis
3925 000 $
Askarov, Yaroslav
3925 000 $
Sanderson, Jake
3800 000 $
Transactions
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MTL
  1. Brodin, Jonas
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
MIN
  1. Domi, Max
  2. Mete, Victor
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CHI)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (WSH)
2.
MTL
  1. Kubalik, Dominik [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CHI)
CHI
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (STL)
Détails additionnels:
The second may need to be Canadiens 2nd
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2381 500 000 $75 353 809 $0 $3 270 000 $6 146 191 $
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
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UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
C
UFA - 2
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3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
Lafrenier, Alexis
925 000 $925 000 $
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
C
UFA - 1
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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UFA - 1
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
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UFA - 3
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C
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 166 667 $4 166 667 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
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7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
DD
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 6
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M-NTC
UFA - 2
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DD
M-NTC, NMC
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792 500 $792 500 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
G
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
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RFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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28 juin 2020 à 0 h 37
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Yeah we aren't paying that for Domi and Mete
28 juin 2020 à 0 h 39
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I can't even put into words how awful that Blackhawks trade is. Tatar and the 2nd wouldn't get you the first alone, let alone Kubalik too.
28 juin 2020 à 0 h 40
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Yeah we aren't paying that for Domi and Mete


Brodin = Domi (This has been discussed at length on multiple threads)
Mete + 2nd + 3rd >>> 1ST
28 juin 2020 à 0 h 40
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i don't think they're even allowed to do this, even if they all get eliminated
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28 juin 2020 à 0 h 40
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Just no from MN.
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28 juin 2020 à 0 h 43
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I can't even put into words how awful that Blackhawks trade is. Tatar and the 2nd wouldn't get you the first alone, let alone Kubalik too.


Is Kubalik not a 3rd line winger who likely doesn't crack the top 6 in Chicago? Would be willing to add another 2nd or 3rd for just the 1st then.
28 juin 2020 à 0 h 44
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Brodin = Domi (This has been discussed at length on multiple threads)
Mete + 2nd + 3rd >>> 1ST


A d-man that is fighting to crack the lineup in MN (even with Brodin gone) + 2nd+3rd might equal the PIT (1st), if it's like 28th oa.

The Wild GM doesn't even want Domi/Brodin 1 for 1 swap, MTL adds or no deal, so that's why it didn't happen at the TDL.
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28 juin 2020 à 0 h 46
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i don't think they're even allowed to do this, even if they all get eliminated


Why not? All teams can still make trades but if any players are exchanged then said player is exempt from the playoffs.
28 juin 2020 à 0 h 48
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Quoting: Campabee
Brodin = Domi (This has been discussed at length on multiple threads)
Mete + 2nd + 3rd >>> 1ST


Wrong!
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28 juin 2020 à 0 h 49
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Quoting: wabit
A d-man that is fighting to crack the lineup in MN (even with Brodin gone) + 2nd+3rd might equal the PIT (1st), if it's like 28th oa.

The Wild GM doesn't even want Domi/Brodin 1 for 1 swap, MTL adds or no deal, so that's why it didn't happen at the TDL.


What else do you think Montreal has to add? I suppose you think KK or Suzuki or Romanov or Caufield right! If that was the cost we may as well just trade for Eichel
28 juin 2020 à 0 h 49
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Quoting: Campabee
Why not? All teams can still make trades but if any players are exchanged then said player is exempt from the playoffs.


if that is the case, then why would these teams tank their playoffs when they're giving up their 1st. Idk how much time is between the play-in round and the phase 2 lottery but that might be the best time to make a deal
28 juin 2020 à 0 h 50
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Quoting: Campabee
Brodin = Domi (This has been discussed at length on multiple threads)
Mete + 2nd + 3rd >>> 1ST


More like:
Brodin > Domi
12.5% chance at Laf or 87.5% chance at a very good prospect >>> Mete + 2nd + 3rd
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28 juin 2020 à 0 h 57
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More like:
Brodin > Domi
12.5% chance at Laf or 87.5% chance at a very good prspect >>> Mete + 2nd + 3rd


Brodin = Domi according to just about every other unbiased neutral team fan on here. Personally I think Domi > Brodin like Brodin + 3rd = Domi. But I assume that that's just cause I am a Habs fan and the reason you see Brodin as being more valuable is cause your a Sabres fan. Mete is worth 2nd again not the way I see him but fans of other teams. Mete to me = 2nd + 4th. So your getting

Even 1 for 1 equal value for Brodin

+

2 2nds and a 3rd for a 1st this is more than equal value
28 juin 2020 à 0 h 58
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What else do you think Montreal has to add? I suppose you think KK or Suzuki or Romanov or Caufield right! If that was the cost we may as well just trade for Eichel


MTL has like 3 players MN needs: Daunault, KK, and Sazuki. Romanov and Caufield are of no interest to me. If you want to make a trade deal around the 3 players that would make a difference tom MN, fine. If not, fine.
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28 juin 2020 à 0 h 59
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Chicago accepts, but only if you give us both of your first round picks if neither wins Laf.
28 juin 2020 à 1 h 0
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MTL has like 3 players MN needs: Daunault, KK, and Sazuki. Romanov and Caufield are of no interest to me. If you want to make a trade deal around the 3 players that would make a difference tom MN, fine. If not, fine.


Fair enough let's switch out Mete and Domi and add Danault + 2021 2nd how's that work for you
28 juin 2020 à 1 h 2
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Chicago accepts, but only if you give us both of your first round picks if neither wins Laf.


Now who is dreaming? Montreal would consider trading the highest one back but not giving it back for free
28 juin 2020 à 1 h 6
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LMAO did you just say mtl was overpaying on these?? Those trade are awful for the other teams.
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28 juin 2020 à 1 h 8
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Brodin = Domi according to just about every other unbiased neutral team fan on here. Personally I think Domi > Brodin like Brodin + 3rd = Domi. But I assume that that's just cause I am a Habs fan and the reason you see Brodin as being more valuable is cause your a Sabres fan. Mete is worth 2nd again not the way I see him but fans of other teams. Mete to me = 2nd + 4th. So your getting

Even 1 for 1 equal value for Brodin

+

2 2nds and a 3rd for a 1st this is more than equal value


Mete does nothing for MN: Suter, Spurgeon, Dumba, Pateryn, Menell, Belpedio, Hunt are already NHL or hit waiver players next year. Add in Brodin (who was just traded here) and maybe Soucy (no clue if they re-sign him). That's 8-10 NHL ready d-men on the roster.

Domi is a 3C/2LW that will get paid, MTL is trying to trade him because of that. MN has too many LWs already, and an expensive 3C (he'd be behind Staal and JEE in MN) that can't play defense doesn't do them any good.
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28 juin 2020 à 1 h 14
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Mete does nothing for MN: Suter, Spurgeon, Dumba, Pateryn, Menell, Belpedio, Hunt are already NHL or hit waiver players next year. Add in Brodin (who was just traded here) and maybe Soucy (no clue if they re-sign him). That's 8-10 NHL ready d-men on the roster.

Domi is a 3C/2LW that will get paid, MTL is trying to trade him because of that. MN has too many LWs already, and an expensive 3C (he'd be behind Staal and JEE in MN) that can't play defense doesn't do them any good.


Fair enough about Mete I see the log jam on the Left not sure how your right side looks but Mete also plays on the right. Even still I see why Mete doesn't work from the wilds side.

Domi is actually a better center than most give him credit for. NHL.com ranked Domi as 31st best center in the league this year making him technically a 1st line center in quality however IMO he is a 2nd line center that can easily put up 60-80 points per year. But I guess others here would rather have Danault so we can switch them out as well
28 juin 2020 à 1 h 18
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Fair enough let's switch out Mete and Domi and add Danault + 2021 2nd how's that work for you


I'd think about Brodin + (somewhere between PIT 1st and a 3rd)* for Danualt, for a face value trade: rental for a rental+1.

* I haven't put much thought into a Danualt/Brodin base trade. It would be a bad move for MTL to trade Danualt imo. Sazuki and KK aren't 1C's next season (possible in the future), and Domi isn't a 1C at all.
28 juin 2020 à 1 h 43
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Is Kubalik not a 3rd line winger who likely doesn't crack the top 6 in Chicago? Would be willing to add another 2nd or 3rd for just the 1st then.


Kubalik scored 30 goals in his rookie season only playing 14 minutes a night... Tatar and a 2nd dont even get Kubalik, forget about the draft pick
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28 juin 2020 à 3 h 22
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Now who is dreaming? Montreal would consider trading the highest one back but not giving it back for free


My post was so obviously satire.

I genuinely feel bad for you if you didn't know how bad these trades we're when you posted.

But I don't think that's possible,
28 juin 2020 à 8 h 51
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Brodin = Domi according to just about every other unbiased neutral team fan on here. Personally I think Domi > Brodin like Brodin + 3rd = Domi. But I assume that that's just cause I am a Habs fan and the reason you see Brodin as being more valuable is cause your a Sabres fan. Mete is worth 2nd again not the way I see him but fans of other teams. Mete to me = 2nd + 4th. So your getting

Even 1 for 1 equal value for Brodin

+

2 2nds and a 3rd for a 1st this is more than equal value


I'm a Wild fan, not a Sabres fan. I've been watching Habs games for the past few weeks since Habs fans have been shoving this Brodin for Domi idea down our throats and I wanted to give a more unbiased and informed opinion. I like Domi, but he's not as good as Brodin IMO. If you want an opinion on Brodin that is not my own and truly is unbiased, here's Dom Luszczyszyn, the head national statistics writer at The Athletic on Brodin at the trade deadline:

"Brodin might be one of the game’s best defensive defenders, severely limiting chances and goals against whenever he’s on the ice. He’s a big part of the Wild’s identity in that regard and is having an excellent year with arguably the best defensive impact (a combination of expected goals against and goals against). It’s been such a strong year that my model projects him to have the largest impact defensively going forward of any player. Brodin doesn’t have much to offer offensively, but he would be a terrific addition for a team looking up to shore things up in that department if the Wild decide to move him. Given his value, I’m not sure they should unless the offer knocks their socks off."
28 juin 2020 à 9 h 54
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Quoting: wabit
I'd think about Brodin + (somewhere between PIT 1st and a 3rd)* for Danualt, for a face value trade: rental for a rental+1.

* I haven't put much thought into a Danualt/Brodin base trade. It would be a bad move for MTL to trade Danualt imo. Sazuki and KK aren't 1C's next season (possible in the future), and Domi isn't a 1C at all.


Danault is viewed as the habs future 3C by most fans. He is defensively strong enough to play against the top players in the league but he lacks the skill and hockey sense to play top 2. But CJ is all about defensive hockey and in so loves Danault who IMO is severely overrated. I would give up Danault for Domi any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Domi IS a 2nd scoring C Danault is more of a 3rd line shutdown C. Poehling is likely to take over this role on the Habs in the next 1-2 years anyway which will push Danault further down the lineup anyway
 
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