Big ol fat no from Toronto

They don’t need D. Warts are better when so visible lol

Yeah? And you dont get Kapanen with montour. You gotta give to get

In my opinion, these seem all like too bold a move for a rookie GM with zero managerial experience being micromanaged by owners who have no clear direction (or understanding) of how to run a successful sports franchise. I fully expect that Buffalo will have a very quiet offseason, and like I have mentioned in other Sabres AGMs, I believe that by this time next season, Adams will have been fired.

You pay more to get your own 3rd back. NYR know why you want it. It's a 2022 3rd plus a 4th or 5th most likely.

Toronto is just going to play without defensemen at all this year.

Very possible on the quiet offseason but they have to do something with all that cap space and with all the holes to fill. I'd bet they'll be looking for Krueger-style players. So maybe no big splashes but lots of depth moves.

Adams isn't getting fired in a year. They already built in an excuse for sucking next year. 2-3 years maybe. It really depends on whether Krueger's system can work with the team they out together.

The Sabres fan base is getting restless. There are going to be external pressures to rebuild not only this club, but the entire hockey ops department. If I was a Sabres fan, which I am not, I would be truly pissed off that the owners decided to let go of Botterill, a guy who learned management skills from some of the best and has business savvy for a GM with basically nothing to his managerial resume. The Pegulas like Adams, they have his ear, they know they can micromanage him. That was not the case with Botterill, which is a lot of the reason why he was let go. I expect this organize to continue displeasing fans until ownership is willing to bring in the proper management people and let them do their thing. As an added point, Ray Shero and Ron Hextall, as well as a list of other more qualified candidates, are available, yet, they go with Adams. It says a lot about ownership right there.

Almost no one is pissed Botterill was fired. Nor should they be. He was brutal. You can argue he was pressured into doing what the owners wanted but that just makes him an idiot and a coward. The O'Reilly trade was the hill to die on in regard to that. You cannot make that trade even if it means you get fired. His history of moves and decisions were a baffling nightmare of asset mismanagment and naive idiocy.

A stupid person can study at the feet of greatness and ever remains stupid so your appeal to authority falalcy is nonsense. Pittsburgh's success has more to do with Crosby and Malkin than anyone in managment. Success with the big team brings money which brings scouting talent and other organizational talent which brings better drafting and development and on we go. Winning in the AHL doesn't bring any of that which was what Botterill's plan was. He had a dundamental misunderstanding of causation.

Sabres fans do not want a rebuild. They want extreme and aggressive action to get into the playoffs NOW and I suspect the Pegulas might too. I don't think that's the best idea but then I'm patient enough to want to see it done right. From a hockey perspective they shouldn't be concerned with competing until after the expansion draft. But from a commercial perspective, that would be a disaster. The Eichel stuff is wildly overblown as he's under contract so no real need to worry about that.

Either way, it does look like a recipe for complete and total disaster at this point unless they successfully get a 2C and enough Krueger-style guys to be competitive next year (not saying it will happen but it could).

The Pegulas are clearly in over their heads and Adams was a total panic/controlling move unless they plan on moving Krueger into a President role in the near future. He's likely going to be the de facto culture/management guy (and he has the pedigree) and Adams will play a role in that too.

Still, you're most likely right on that: the culture is toxic. But defending Botterill is insane and you're ignoring the possibility that no established hockey guy wants the job so a rookie might be their only option. So this year could go very badly but I don't see Adams getting fired even if it does.

Yeah, because the solution is to pay too much for bad defense. Right?

Bad deal with Wild

if you want your 3rd back from the Rangers you can have it, but it will cost you your 3rd in 2022 and McCabe with Staal or Smith coming back to you.
also, it would be a waste because you could offer Cirelli Kevin Hayes money and he still wouldn't sign in Buffalo.

Toronto and Minnesota say no.

Montour is not needed and certainly not at the cost of Kapanen.
Brodin will probably fetch more at trade deadline alone.

Brodin won't get more than #7 in this draft. Minnesota will easily take this deal and run away, choose Rossi or Perfetti, and be happy. Brodin also had only one year left under the contract.

No doubt on 1st rounder but that alone is not enough.
Hutton is nothing, they have Stalock and Dubnyk... oh yeah and nice future goalie in KK.

@tansor

You'd have to offer Anthony Cirelli $7+ million to sign an offer sheet there in Buffalo, Cirelli can make $5 million per here in Tampa and take home more then $6 million per there in Buffalo. No way he'd ever sign that offer sheet.

Of course, I understand that Brodin is a very good defensive defender, but #7 is quite valuable and Brodin has only one year left under the contract. At least I saw the opinion of some Minnesota fans when they agreed to trade Brodin in Montreal for #8 or Domi.

Hutton doesn’t matter at all and can be easily removed from the deal, basically it’s probably just a salary return.

Defence weren't the problem it was the system, injuries and goaltending that were the problem. Dummies on the internet though don't understand hockey so they say defence all the time because they are simple

Domi > Mittelstadt

It's not close.

What does Mittelstadt have to do with it? Every #7 in the draft is Mittelstadt? Also, do not forget how Buffalo poorly develops youth, it's all individually for each team. We are talking about value here and it’s strange then that some Montreal fans are not averse to trade Domi for #7.

No need for Hutton but Brodin for 7th overall is fine with me. I guess we'd just have to pray that Rossi is available

If Dubas trades Kapanen for garbage Montour he should be fired immediately.

If Adams signs sHooting for 7 mil just trade Eichel. Compare him and Hutton. Surprising isn't it.

Lindy Ruff won a lot of games in Buffalo.

Excuses excuses excuses...
Denial is strong in this one - Yoda

It’s laziness from stat padding prima donnas.

Oh the usual "The Leafs are terrible no matter what" rhetoric. You're just a clown.