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Jack comes home version II

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Équipe: 2019-20 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 22 juin 2020
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  1. DeBrusk, Jake
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  3. Studnicka, Jack
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22 juin 2020 à 14 h 36
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Now this offer is gonna start to get you somewhere. Nice job.

Buffalo probably wants to give a RHD back in that deal (Risto or Montour). Maybe take out a 2nd, throw Kase in and have Montour coming back.
22 juin 2020 à 14 h 44
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Wow bruins laugh at this offer

Yes lets give up OUR ENTIRE FUTURE for one franchise player.

Eichel is a BEAST, but he is not worth giving up on a cup winning team and killing the future of the franchize
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Now this offer is gonna start to get you somewhere. Nice job.

Buffalo probably wants to give a RHD back in that deal (Risto or Montour). Maybe take out a 2nd, throw Kase in and have Montour coming back.


STOP COMMENTING, WE ALL KNOW YOU JUST HATE THE BRUINS
22 juin 2020 à 14 h 45
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Carlo instead of Mcavoy in my opinion.
But very good deal for buffalo in my opinion.
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22 juin 2020 à 14 h 48
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Carlo instead of Mcavoy in my opinion.
But very good deal for buffalo in my opinion.


Thats the point, this is too good for Buffalo, they would be morons to reject.
bruins reject this deal though
22 juin 2020 à 15 h 1
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Now this offer is gonna start to get you somewhere. Nice job.

Buffalo probably wants to give a RHD back in that deal (Risto or Montour). Maybe take out a 2nd, throw Kase in and have Montour coming back.


Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Wow bruins laugh at this offer

Yes lets give up OUR ENTIRE FUTURE for one franchise player.

Eichel is a BEAST, but he is not worth giving up on a cup winning team and killing the future of the franchize


Quoting: Timmah007
Carlo instead of Mcavoy in my opinion.
But very good deal for buffalo in my opinion.


Eric Lindros was traded for this:
Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft

IMO Jack is at least as good as Eric, and the trade I proposed does not come close to the what the Flyers gave up for Eric.
So it is not at least the trade I proposed the team getting Eichel is stealing him:

Steve Duchesne for McAvoy, Charlie
Mike Ricci for DeBrusk, Jake
Peter Forsberg for Studnicka, Jack
round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, for 2021 1st round pick (BOS)
round 1 pick in the 1994 draft for 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
Chris Simon for 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
Kerry Huffman for 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
There may be some inequities but on the balance it is a fair comparison.
Anything less than this will not get you Eichel.
22 juin 2020 à 15 h 3
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Jack McEichel
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22 juin 2020 à 15 h 4
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Quoting: Bostonbruins
Eric Lindros was traded for this:
Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft

IMO Jack is at least as good as Eric, and the trade I proposed does not come close to the what the Flyers gave up for Eric.
So it is not at least the trade I proposed the team getting Eichel is stealing him:

Steve Duchesne for McAvoy, Charlie
Mike Ricci for DeBrusk, Jake
Peter Forsberg for Studnicka, Jack
round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, for 2021 1st round pick (BOS)
round 1 pick in the 1994 draft for 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
Chris Simon for 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
Kerry Huffman for 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
There may be some inequities but on the balance it is a fair comparison.
Anything less than this will not get you Eichel.


Yeah you did a good job value wise. I've seen too many posts with Carlo, DeBrusk, Studnicka and a 1st and Bruins fans saying that they are giving up way too much.

I find it hard to compare Studnicka to Forsberg though. Forsberg was in a different tier even when the trade was made and then he broke even those expectations.
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22 juin 2020 à 15 h 4
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Quoting: Bostonbruins
Eric Lindros was traded for this:
Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft

IMO Jack is at least as good as Eric, and the trade I proposed does not come close to the what the Flyers gave up for Eric.
So it is not at least the trade I proposed the team getting Eichel is stealing him:

Steve Duchesne for McAvoy, Charlie
Mike Ricci for DeBrusk, Jake
Peter Forsberg for Studnicka, Jack
round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, for 2021 1st round pick (BOS)
round 1 pick in the 1994 draft for 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
Chris Simon for 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
Kerry Huffman for 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
There may be some inequities but on the balance it is a fair comparison.
Anything less than this will not get you Eichel.


Wow really using a trade from that long ago as a comparable? Times have changed....
22 juin 2020 à 15 h 6
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Quoting: Bostonbruins
Eric Lindros was traded for this:
Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft

IMO Jack is at least as good as Eric, and the trade I proposed does not come close to the what the Flyers gave up for Eric.
So it is not at least the trade I proposed the team getting Eichel is stealing him:

Steve Duchesne for McAvoy, Charlie
Mike Ricci for DeBrusk, Jake
Peter Forsberg for Studnicka, Jack
round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, for 2021 1st round pick (BOS)
round 1 pick in the 1994 draft for 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
Chris Simon for 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
Kerry Huffman for 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
There may be some inequities but on the balance it is a fair comparison.
Anything less than this will not get you Eichel.


This is an excellent analysis: Props for that bro. Really good job

In saying that, I still think times are different: we see so many more smaller trades and free agency signings now whereas in the old days there were genereally fewer player changes and the occasional blockbuster deal.

I guess more importantly too: Bruins are on the verge of winning a championship, why give away every future piece for him? Think about it: in three years: Bergy/Chara/Krejci/Tuukka retired, But now Mcavoy/Carlo/Debrusk/Pasta/Studnicka/Vaak are all good and rolling (with two first rounders too lol). If we make this trade: the future is Eichel/Carlo/Pasta/Vaak and thats kinda it lol

(also please ignore the leafs sens fan guy lol, he literally just comes to bruins posts to argue and say bruins players suck)
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22 juin 2020 à 15 h 14
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Make this team in the 2020-21 calendar year because Jack is a net +US$5Mil hit to the B's flat-Cap.
Ahh yes, a delightful year which includes such notable re-signings as Krug, Grz, Chara and Bjork... and see how much dough you REALLY have!
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22 juin 2020 à 15 h 17
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Quoting: Bostonbruins
Eric Lindros was traded for this:
Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, future considerations, round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, round 1 pick in the 1994 draft

IMO Jack is at least as good as Eric, and the trade I proposed does not come close to the what the Flyers gave up for Eric.
So it is not at least the trade I proposed the team getting Eichel is stealing him:

Steve Duchesne for McAvoy, Charlie
Mike Ricci for DeBrusk, Jake
Peter Forsberg for Studnicka, Jack
round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, for 2021 1st round pick (BOS)
round 1 pick in the 1994 draft for 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
Chris Simon for 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
Kerry Huffman for 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
There may be some inequities but on the balance it is a fair comparison.
Anything less than this will not get you Eichel.


Lindros got traded but who won the Cup...?
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22 juin 2020 à 15 h 18
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First of all thank you all for your kind words.
Many would say something like "Well you are just stupid"
Yes times are different and except for the McAvoy the asset comparisons for Lindros are better.
There were only 22 picks in each round back in the 90's not 32.
What is the likely hood of getting players as Simon and Hoffman in the second round back to back in this year.
No one from either side of the list matches Forsberg not even McAvoy.
Most important, Jack has already proven he is a great NHL player, Lindros was still only a prospect (yes a very good one but look at Nail Yakupov).
So again, I am not trying to start an argument, nor propose a trade, nor call anyone stupid or anything as that, just if a team wants Eichel, it will cost a lot.
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22 juin 2020 à 15 h 18
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McAvoy a big NO!
22 juin 2020 à 15 h 23
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I think the picks and players aren’t bad. However, you need to find a way to move Krejci for this to be more realistic. I think you’re more likely to see Boston have to give something up to get better first round picks because with where Boston will end up picking in the draft Buffalo is pretty much getting two seconds and two thirds. They’re going to expect at the very least one very high draft pick in this deal.
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22 juin 2020 à 15 h 26
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First of all thank you all for your kind words.
Many would say something like "Well you are just stupid"
Yes times are different and except for the McAvoy the asset comparisons for Lindros are better.
There were only 22 picks in each round back in the 90's not 32.
What is the likely hood of getting players as Simon and Hoffman in the second round back to back in this year.
No one from either side of the list matches Forsberg not even McAvoy.
Most important, Jack has already proven he is a great NHL player, Lindros was still only a prospect (yes a very good one but look at Nail Yakupov).
So again, I am not trying to start an argument, nor propose a trade, nor call anyone stupid or anything as that, just if a team wants Eichel, it will cost a lot.


NP dawg, just check out my new post, I tried to explain it better there. Its not that you proposed a terrible trade value wise, its just the logic behind it is kinda pointless. Bruins arent gonna throw away their chances for the next 3 years, and their future pieces (so chances for the 5 years after that)
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First of all thank you all for your kind words.
Many would say something like "Well you are just stupid"
Yes times are different and except for the McAvoy the asset comparisons for Lindros are better.
There were only 22 picks in each round back in the 90's not 32.
What is the likely hood of getting players as Simon and Hoffman in the second round back to back in this year.
No one from either side of the list matches Forsberg not even McAvoy.
Most important, Jack has already proven he is a great NHL player, Lindros was still only a prospect (yes a very good one but look at Nail Yakupov).
So again, I am not trying to start an argument, nor propose a trade, nor call anyone stupid or anything as that, just if a team wants Eichel, it will cost a lot.


You're right. Any package for Eichel will have this as the starting point.

It's also worth noting that Eichel is worth more to the Bruins than any other team because if he gets traded to the Bruins he will most likely be a Bruin for life. The Sabres know this and it won't come cheap to give a division rival a top 10 C for the next 15 years.
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You're right. Any package for Eichel will have this as the starting point.

It's also worth noting that Eichel is worth more to the Bruins than any other team because if he gets traded to the Bruins he will most likely be a Bruin for life. The Sabres know this and it won't come cheap to give a division rival a top 10 C for the next 15 years.


Ok now you are just making stuff up lol, Please stop, you dont know what you are talking about.
He doesnt increase his value by being a bruin for life. If anything that lowers his value because the sabres know they wont flip him for more
22 juin 2020 à 15 h 29
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I think the picks and players aren’t bad. However, you need to find a way to move Krejci for this to be more realistic. I think you’re more likely to see Boston have yo give something up to get better first round picks because with where Boston picks will end up picking in the draft Buffalo is pretty much getting two seconds and two thirds. They’re going to expect at the very least one very high draft pick in this deal.


Exactly what I mean, the Flyers gave up a lot more for Lindros than the Bruins are giving up in this trade, yet as you could see, until I posted the comparison, most thought it was too much.
That is what I was trying to say, if you want Eichel it will cost a ton.
A couple of good roster players, a couple of good prospects (grade "A") and at least a couple of first round picks.
Anything less is a gross underpayment.
I was going to make it 3 first round picks but the Bruins did not have one in 2020.
22 juin 2020 à 15 h 30
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Ok now you are just making stuff up lol, Please stop, you dont know what you are talking about.
He doesnt increase his value by being a bruin for life. If anything that lowers his value because the sabres know they wont flip him for more


It just doesn’t play a factor. Any team adding him would be doing so expecting it for life.
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
NP dawg, just check out my new post, I tried to explain it better there. Its not that you proposed a terrible trade value wise, its just the logic behind it is kinda pointless. Bruins arent gonna throw away their chances for the next 3 years, and their future pieces (so chances for the 5 years after that)


I completely agree with you, 100%.
What you are saying is exactly why Eichel will not get traded.
A team has to give up too much to get him. That why Colorado won the Championships and not the Flyers.
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22 juin 2020 à 15 h 35
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Thats the point, this is too good for Buffalo, they would be morons to reject.
bruins reject this deal though


I wouldnt take this. No point in trading a top C in the league and not getting any future offensive star back.
Bruins aren't a good trade partner l
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Exactly what I mean, the Flyers gave up a lot more for Lindros than the Bruins are giving up in this trade, yet as you could see, until I posted the comparison, most thought it was too much.
That is what I was trying to say, if you want Eichel it will cost a ton.
A couple of good roster players, a couple of good prospects (grade "A") and at least a couple of first round picks.
Anything less is a gross underpayment.
I was going to make it 3 first round picks but the Bruins did not have one in 2020.


I think three would be too much. However, I don’t think you’re really giving away the future with this trade. There will be a lot of cap space opening up on this team. You’re going to be able to protect the core through the Seattle expansion, and there are still 6 quality d-men on this team.

The trade is also just as complicated for Buffalo. The longer they hold on to him they run the risk of that market value depreciating. I think Eichel will stay in Buffalo until at least the last two years of his contract.
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I wouldnt take this. No point in trading a top C in the league and not getting any future offensive star back.
Bruins aren't a good trade partner l


"not getting any future offensive star back". - Studnicka and Debrusk
" Bruins aren't a good trade " - this is true at least
22 juin 2020 à 18 h 18
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It just doesn’t play a factor. Any team adding him would be doing so expecting it for life.


Lol thats what IM saying lol thank you. that leafsens guy is really just here to make stuff up and fight everyone
 
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