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Créé par: mhockey91
Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Date de création initiale: 18 juin 2020
Publié: 18 juin 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (WPG)
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Doesn’t have to be the Jets, I’m just suggesting that Tampa should try to trade McD
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (CGY)
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If TJ waives his NTC it makes a lot of sense. Calgary can use a top 6 right hand shot forward
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  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (WPG)
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Again, habs buy low on a French Canadian. They end up selling Tatar+Armia at deadline so Gourde can fill in their spot
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  1. Anderson, Josh [Droits de RFA]
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18 juin 2020 à 22 h 33
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Quoting: J2W
I'm not saying he isn't a good buy low candidate, I'm saying that at 28 with his cap hit and term he's a massive risk for any team to aquire, and with the season he just had he's more of a comparable to Lehkonen than he is a potential top winger for MTL. Again, in relation to MTL, he would barely be an offensive upgrade on Lehkonen (who again, is younger than Gourde was when he had those 50-60 point seasons) if his decline is because of his age and he doesn't bounce back, while he is more than twice the cap hit. 5 more years at over 5M for a guy who had a 60 point season at age 26, with no NHL impact before that, and has declined in the 2 following years is, to hammer the point home again, a massive risk.


Of course there’s risk. That’s why the return would be minimum. I just think he’d fit well in MTL. Especially if they trade Tatar at the deadline. He can easily crack 50 points again. He’s only 28. He’s not old
18 juin 2020 à 22 h 50
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Of course there’s risk. That’s why the return would be minimum. I just think he’d fit well in MTL. Especially if they trade Tatar at the deadline. He can easily crack 50 points again. He’s only 28. He’s not old


I think our only real disagreement is that you stated he would be one of MTL's better wingers, and I look at his age and career trajectory and see him as more of a 3rd liner with some upside going forward.
18 juin 2020 à 23 h 16
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I think our only real disagreement is that you stated he would be one of MTL's better wingers, and I look at his age and career trajectory and see him as more of a 3rd liner with some upside going forward.


Wingers who are better: Drouin, Domi (if he plays wing), Tatar (who will be traded), Gallagher. So yeah he’s definitely up there.
18 juin 2020 à 23 h 36
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Wingers who are better: Drouin, Domi (if he plays wing), Tatar (who will be traded), Gallagher. So yeah he’s definitely up there.


Tampa was the best offensive team in the league, and Gourde's production with them would have placed him 8th on MTL, and I wouldn't call a player with bottom 6 production one of a teams better wingers. If he bounces back sure he could push for that label, but right now he is closer to Lehkonen than top 6, and given he broke into the NHL at 26 and has declined both seasons since I don't see him as more than what he is right now, which is a 3rd liner even on MTL who need offense. Also, Armia (who is younger and therefore atleast as likely to repeat his production as Gourde is to regain his form) was better this year also, so that's 5 wingers (Domi or Suzuki plays wing) on MTL next season, again making Gourde a 3rd line winger.
TL;dr, Gourde is unlikely to be top 6, aka one of the better wingers, on MTL next season unless they are a bottom feeder selling off everything they can, in which case they should be using cap space as a way to aquire young assets. This doesn't mean I think he is bad, it just means that I find the statement that he would be one of MTL's better wingers false.
Gourde's less than a year younger than Tatar, so if Tatar's ask is resonable it's a better idea to use the cap space on him.
19 juin 2020 à 0 h 6
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Tampa was the best offensive team in the league, and Gourde's production with them would have placed him 8th on MTL, and I wouldn't call a player with bottom 6 production one of a teams better wingers. If he bounces back sure he could push for that label, but right now he is closer to Lehkonen than top 6, and given he broke into the NHL at 26 and has declined both seasons since I don't see him as more than what he is right now, which is a 3rd liner even on MTL who need offense. Also, Armia (who is younger and therefore atleast as likely to repeat his production as Gourde is to regain his form) was better this year also, so that's 5 wingers (Domi or Suzuki plays wing) on MTL next season, again making Gourde a 3rd line winger.
TL;dr, Gourde is unlikely to be top 6, aka one of the better wingers, on MTL next season unless they are a bottom feeder selling off everything they can, in which case they should be using cap space as a way to aquire young assets. This doesn't mean I think he is bad, it just means that I find the statement that he would be one of MTL's better wingers false.
Gourde's less than a year younger than Tatar, so if Tatar's ask is resonable it's a better idea to use the cap space on him.


I’m not denying Gourde struggled this year. But based on the last 3 years his numbers are wayyyy better than Lehkonen or Armia. He’s 28. He’s not 38. I don’t think he’s regressing. I think he had an off year. Habs would be better to trade Tatar and get some future assets while gourde in an expanded role in MTL could help replace his production. 50-60 points is a very realistic point total for gourde. To start the season.

Tatar-Danault-Gallagher
Domi-Suzuki-Gourde
Drouin-JK-Armia

Gives this team a really balanced top 9 to start the year. Though I do believe Tatar will be traded at the deadline. He’s absolutely capable of putting up 50-60 points on that line. I’m not a Tampa fan and don’t care for them. I just think MTL is a good fit for both teams
19 juin 2020 à 0 h 31
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I’m not denying Gourde struggled this year. But based on the last 3 years his numbers are wayyyy better than Lehkonen or Armia. He’s 28. He’s not 38. I don’t think he’s regressing. I think he had an off year. Habs would be better to trade Tatar and get some future assets while gourde in an expanded role in MTL could help replace his production. 50-60 points is a very realistic point total for gourde. To start the season.

Tatar-Danault-Gallagher
Domi-Suzuki-Gourde
Drouin-JK-Armia

Gives this team a really balanced top 9 to start the year. Though I do believe Tatar will be traded at the deadline. He’s absolutely capable of putting up 50-60 points on that line. I’m not a Tampa fan and don’t care for them. I just think MTL is a good fit for both teams


Based on most stats looking at NHL forwards production in relation to age Gourde is on the back half of his career. He's likely 40-45 points going forward and not 50-60 points. He had one really good year when he managed to make the NHL at an older age than most, and he's dropped off both years since. If he had less term, or there was less uncertainty about the cap, I'd be happy to get him for scraps but 5 years at more than 5M for a guy who has been on the downswing just isn't a good use of cap space. Personally I'd still likely take the risk (I'd be less than ecstatic about it and if I'm the only team he's willing to waive his full NTC for I'd push for retention to about 4.5M), but I won't pretend a 28 year old who's production would make him bottom 6 and has seen a decline the last 2 years should be referred to as one of the better wingers on the team if the trade happened.
I'd gamble that his short term usefulness made would allow me to move him for similar value in a season or two, since I think waiving his NTC would void it moving forward (if not then I wouldn't trade for him) and the cap should hopefully recover with Seattle and the new US TV deal in a few years.
 
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