no takesy backsies

When that trade happened I actually thought Colorado got robbed

I still like this trade from the leafs stand point more

no cause our defense would suck. Barrie hasnt been amazing but under keefe at least he picked up the pace. Kerfoot has the potential to bounce back into a 40 point getter. And sure keeping Kadri would have been nice but we would have seen another game 2 suspension against boston.

With how Barrie played under Keefe, I think its a win for the Leafs, Kadri is 100% getting suspended for the playoffs anyways.

Lets go back to Day 1 on the job and ask Dubas not to sign J.T.

Kadri and Marner were playing well together.

I think that getting kerfoot was nice but Barrie was not the right guy for Toronto. That’s said I don’t think they could have fully known that when they traded for him.
Unfortunately the nhl is like that. You don’t know what you are getting until you have it.

Still a good trade for the leafs though. I kadri was good for colorado but I think they could have gotten slightly more for both Barrie and Kerfoot. That’s said it’s not the end of the world

JT is fine. He just had to put his foot down with the kids. He caved for all 3 of them.

Matthews is Ovie 2.0 and it took Ovie 11 seasons to play for the Cup. Mathews will be a Leaf for 7 or 8 seasons. Looks like 60 + years with no Cup parade.

That was a terrible signing. He should have gotten 8 years or done 3 years then 8 years. The only thin worse than 5 years is 4 years...

I thought at the time that it was an even trade value-wise player-for-player in a vacuum, but that in terms of filling exact team needs it always worked better for Colorado. The longer time went the more it would also favour Colorado due to the extra 2 years on Kadri's contract compared to Barrie's.

And right now it's looking like that is exactly how it's played out. A solid W for Colorado right now.

The Leafs won the trade from a value perspective big time.
Barrie just didn't work out the way they wanted. Col ended up winning the deal in hindsight, but it honestly wasn't a bad deal for the Leafs even in hindsight

If we had kept him and he had done his usual **** Dubas would've taken so much flack.

I still make that trade. If Babcock hadn't been a **** and given Barrie top-pairing minutes like Keefe had then the trade would have looked much better.

I know. It's crazy how much thing can change. To answer the question here, I might say no though. Without Barrie, I don't know what we'd do, with all those injures.

LOL that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Marner and JT didn't play well together? What on earth do you mean.

this kind of thinking is why TOR lost the trade.
Kadri probably doesn't get suspended. Probably has a good playoffs..

Yeah just look at his track record in the playoffs over his career. Every dude like you on here was chirping Kadri as overrated and an over paid 3c right up until the trade, then you guys were quiet for a while because no one was saying Barrie would be had by Kadri let alone it being Barrie at half price along with Kerfoot. Once Barrie struggled then all of a sudden Kadri is so good. "See! I told you everything I have said about the Leafs was bull**** but this is negative so I'll claim this is what I meant the whole time." Kadri was a good player but he wore out his welcome.

Kadri had back to back 32 goal seasons with Marner's help and Marner was slowly maturing and getting chemistry playing with Kadri and was closing in on being a point per game player before JT's arrival. Marner should thank JT for the 2 million over payment he received.

Kadri is 6.5 million cheaper too. So 6.5 million more buys you 10 to 15 more goals and 25-30 more points ?

That 6.5 million could buy you a top pair Dman to play with Reilly.

JT steals the spotlight from Matthews as a leader (both good and bad), though the question is whether JT is a winner (ask NYI fans).

I never chirped Kadri. I don't know where you make this stuff up.
If anything I have always thought he was the only guy on the leafs with any form of push back. And when he left you lost that.
The reason he was always suspended was he was willing to do the things other guys weren't. It was really a failure of the coaching staff to not have 4th liners capable of doing just that and willing to drop gloves knowing that the stars weren't going to.
He doesn't have to worry about that in COL. There are a handful of other guys there who are willing participants.

JT may be overplayed, but he's a star player who makes the leafs elite. Matthews is not a leader, it's a very good thing JT came along.

Muzzin, Dermot, and Kap have a lot of push back. The team is young, young guys rarely have as much push back. It's a learned behavior

It's not a young guy issue. Some people simply aren't ever going to do it.
Others are more willing to and they have had that since juniors. Believe me Tom Wilson didn't learn to be Tom Wilson at the NHL level.

And for that list, Muzzin maybe, he'll at least lay 2 hits a game, Dermot no, hell no. This is Dermot idea of push back.
https://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n259949
He might lay 1.5 hits per game.
Meanwhile this is Kadri
https://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n260361
I mean you clearly lost something here.
Kap, not really. He's been a punching bag, at least he's been willing though. MacKenzie punched him out. McCann punched him out. Only lays like 1 hit per game. That's a weak pushback. He's be wise not to drop the gloves further.
That's why they went out and got Clifford. Hell he was there 1 month and had more fights than anyone on the whole team and was laying close to 3 hits a game.
So lets not pretend TOR has push back they don't.
It's ok many teams don't anymore. But at least be honest about it.

You are just a sour member of troll nation. Just one of those people that thinks tough guys are the only thing that matters. It just old school thinking that some can't let go of.

It's hockey not figure skating. You might get away with skating around in the regular season. TB did all last year. But when it comes to winning a cup, people aren't playing nice.
It is what it is. You have to be able to deal with it on the ice one way or another.
Some teams ignore it and just win. It's the best revenge. The penguins did that to both CBJ and WSH. It helped they had the most deadly power play in the game then.
But it eventually caught up with them see last year. By no coincidence their power play was not nearly as good.

At some point you have to have some kind of answer for it. And truth is TOR has never been able to play through it.
As it's increasingly difficult when the other team knows you will do nothing back.
You can call it old school all you want. But the other team doesn't care what you call it when they hit you.