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Russell for a bottom 6 C

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Équipe: 2020-21 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 12 juin 2020
Publié: 12 juin 2020
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I think that Russell for a bottom 6 C next season who also has 1 year left and comparable cap hit makes sense. IMO Darren Helm may be the best option (and one that is realistic since I think Detroit could actually use a bottom par LD). But, I have included other options. Let me know which centerman is the best option/a realistic option.
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    1. Perreault, Mathieu
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      1. Bozak, Tyler
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      Only if Pietro is gone and they need insurance on D.
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          12 juin 2020 à 15 h 10
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          I could maybe see one of the first three happening, likely not for the others imo.
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          You could probably have Alex Kerfoot for Adam Larsson. Not sure if that would help though.
          12 juin 2020 à 15 h 11
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          Detroit doesn't need RD help like Russel, So we pass. Nevermind he's LD that plays RD still not interested and i doubt he'd waive to Detroit anyways.
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          12 juin 2020 à 15 h 14
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          Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
          Detroit doesn't need RD help like Russel, So we pass.


          He's actually a LD, but he has been forced to RD in the past due to the oil lacking RD. He's a lefty, and plays better there.
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          12 juin 2020 à 15 h 16
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          Quoting: Mitch1_6
          You could probably have Alex Kerfoot for Adam Larsson. Not sure if that would help though.


          Not the kind of thing Holland would be looking for imo. To trade Larsson, we would need to first see Bouchard playing very well I think. If Bouchard falters, I can see the Oil resigning Larsson as preferable so Bouchard stays on the bottom pair.
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          12 juin 2020 à 15 h 49
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          That would make NSH worse. They pass.
          12 juin 2020 à 15 h 54
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          Jets decline. Perreault is more valuable to them than Russel would be. Russel can easily be replaced by a guy already in the organization. The same can easily be said or done for perreault. Perreault brings a lot of energy to the lineup that is great for a bottom 6 winger.

          Oh yeah, and he hasn’t played center in like 5 years
          12 juin 2020 à 17 h 6
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          Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
          Detroit doesn't need RD help like Russel, So we pass. Nevermind he's LD that plays RD still not interested and i doubt he'd waive to Detroit anyways.


          I'm going to hold you to a more in-depth answer. Assume the following:

          1. Detroit will not be competitive next season
          2. Quality UFA's are not expected to sign in Detroit next season due to them being a bottom-feeding team (ie, TOI > 19min, point-producing, etc.)
          3. The Red Wings RFA's are re-signed
          4. Free agents aged 36 and older retire
          5. Trading key assets is not in the cards for the Red Wings

          A quick glance at the Red Wings contracts for next year suggests that Bowey, Hronek, and Nemeth are the only full-time NHL defenders Detroit currently has on the books for next year. Biega is a 7th defender by every means and should be used as such. He probably spends the season rotating in and out with Lindstrom, but I doubt either will be effective in their role and neither will be on the team next season. Cholowski probably makes the team out of camp and the amount of games he actually gets in will likely vary on a multitude of factors. Maybe this season is his first full NHL season. Thus, I imagine the NHL depth chart looks something like this:

          Nemeth - Hronek
          [] - Bowey
          Cholowski - Lindstrom
          Biega

          Now consider that your only real UFA options are as follows:
          - Really overpay Edmundson or Gustafsson in terms of AAV and term
          - Overpay Merill, Del Zotto, or Hutton to play more minutes a night than they've ever had
          - Sekera?

          Given that none of these fit either Yzerman's style of management nor does paying high picks and prospects fit Detroit's timeline, the following conclusion is evident: Detroit's best option for filling their gap on the blueline is via trading for a short-term solution.

          There's a chance a Hjarlmarsson or Marc Staal could shake loose, but they have the same conditions as Russell does. It's likely they cost more in terms of future assets than Edmonton's shot-blocking machine does: Arizona and the Rangers are in much more dire cap situations than Edmonton is. Ian Cole might not be a terrible option if the Avalanche are looking to move on from his salary, but like Zadorov, might come at a cost the Red Wings shouldn't be interested in paying.

          I recently did an analysis on Russell over the past three years relative to the top-201 defenders in the NHL (Post #19, https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/333746&post_id=1478874) which pegged him as the #129th best defender in the NHL. He's in the ballpark of a quality #5 defender, and certainly qualifies as a poor man's #4. For the cost of a bottom-six center that won't fetch much at the deadline, this isn't a terrible trade for Detroit. I'm sure Edmonton wouldn't mind adding a late pick or a B-prospect if necessary.
          12 juin 2020 à 17 h 14
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          Quoting: BeterChiarelli
          I'm going to hold you to a more in-depth answer. Assume the following:

          1. Detroit will not be competitive next season
          2. Quality UFA's are not expected to sign in Detroit next season due to them being a bottom-feeding team (ie, TOI > 19min, point-producing, etc.)
          3. The Red Wings RFA's are re-signed
          4. Free agents aged 36 and older retire
          5. Trading key assets is not in the cards for the Red Wings

          A quick glance at the Red Wings contracts for next year suggests that Bowey, Hronek, and Nemeth are the only full-time NHL defenders Detroit currently has on the books for next year. Biega is a 7th defender by every means and should be used as such. He probably spends the season rotating in and out with Lindstrom, but I doubt either will be effective in their role and neither will be on the team next season. Cholowski probably makes the team out of camp and the amount of games he actually gets in will likely vary on a multitude of factors. Maybe this season is his first full NHL season. Thus, I imagine the NHL depth chart looks something like this:

          Nemeth - Hronek
          [] - Bowey
          Cholowski - Lindstrom
          Biega

          Now consider that your only real UFA options are as follows:
          - Really overpay Edmundson or Gustafsson in terms of AAV and term
          - Overpay Merill, Del Zotto, or Hutton to play more minutes a night than they've ever had
          - Sekera?

          Given that none of these fit either Yzerman's style of management nor does paying high picks and prospects fit Detroit's timeline, the following conclusion is evident: Detroit's best option for filling their gap on the blueline is via trading for a short-term solution.

          There's a chance a Hjarlmarsson or Marc Staal could shake loose, but they have the same conditions as Russell does. It's likely they cost more in terms of future assets than Edmonton's shot-blocking machine does: Arizona and the Rangers are in much more dire cap situations than Edmonton is. Ian Cole might not be a terrible option if the Avalanche are looking to move on from his salary, but like Zadorov, might come at a cost the Red Wings shouldn't be interested in paying.

          I recently did an analysis on Russell over the past three years relative to the top-201 defenders in the NHL (Post #19, https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/333746&post_id=1478874) which pegged him as the #129th best defender in the NHL. He's in the ballpark of a quality #5 defender, and certainly qualifies as a poor man's #4. For the cost of a bottom-six center that won't fetch much at the deadline, this isn't a terrible trade for Detroit. I'm sure Edmonton wouldn't mind adding a late pick or a B-prospect if necessary.


          Quoting: BeterChiarelli
          I'm going to hold you to a more in-depth answer. Assume the following:

          1. Detroit will not be competitive next season
          2. Quality UFA's are not expected to sign in Detroit next season due to them being a bottom-feeding team (ie, TOI > 19min, point-producing, etc.)
          3. The Red Wings RFA's are re-signed
          4. Free agents aged 36 and older retire
          5. Trading key assets is not in the cards for the Red Wings

          A quick glance at the Red Wings contracts for next year suggests that Bowey, Hronek, and Nemeth are the only full-time NHL defenders Detroit currently has on the books for next year. Biega is a 7th defender by every means and should be used as such. He probably spends the season rotating in and out with Lindstrom, but I doubt either will be effective in their role and neither will be on the team next season. Cholowski probably makes the team out of camp and the amount of games he actually gets in will likely vary on a multitude of factors. Maybe this season is his first full NHL season. Thus, I imagine the NHL depth chart looks something like this:

          Nemeth - Hronek
          [] - Bowey
          Cholowski - Lindstrom
          Biega

          Now consider that your only real UFA options are as follows:
          - Really overpay Edmundson or Gustafsson in terms of AAV and term
          - Overpay Merill, Del Zotto, or Hutton to play more minutes a night than they've ever had
          - Sekera?

          Given that none of these fit either Yzerman's style of management nor does paying high picks and prospects fit Detroit's timeline, the following conclusion is evident: Detroit's best option for filling their gap on the blueline is via trading for a short-term solution.

          There's a chance a Hjarlmarsson or Marc Staal could shake loose, but they have the same conditions as Russell does. It's likely they cost more in terms of future assets than Edmonton's shot-blocking machine does: Arizona and the Rangers are in much more dire cap situations than Edmonton is. Ian Cole might not be a terrible option if the Avalanche are looking to move on from his salary, but like Zadorov, might come at a cost the Red Wings shouldn't be interested in paying.

          I recently did an analysis on Russell over the past three years relative to the top-201 defenders in the NHL (Post #19, https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/333746&post_id=1478874) which pegged him as the #129th best defender in the NHL. He's in the ballpark of a quality #5 defender, and certainly qualifies as a poor man's #4. For the cost of a bottom-six center that won't fetch much at the deadline, this isn't a terrible trade for Detroit. I'm sure Edmonton wouldn't mind adding a late pick or a B-prospect if necessary.


          Nicely stated, But still no use for Russel. I can guarantee you 100% that Seider is on the team next fall or winter. And Lindstrom fills in on the bottom pairing at RD.
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          Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
          Nicely stated, But still no use for Russel. I can guarantee you 100% that Seider is on the team next fall or winter. And Lindstrom fills in on the bottom pairing at RD.


          Is Seider ready for full-time NHL deployment? He's a quality prospect sure, but he's had one season to develop. He's still WJC U20 eligible, and Detroit's not making leaps and bounds up the standings, surely a draft+2 season to fine-tune his game wouldn't hurt, no?

          On the note of WJC's, would it be more likely that he joins the big club after the tournament instead of playing the entire year in the NHL? You'd effectively be meeting in the middle here: he gets the extra half-season to develop in either the AHL or DEL (Covid-depending), takes some time with his peers at a tournament Germany has seen success at recently, and dips his feet into NHL action when he's apt to be more ready for it.
          12 juin 2020 à 17 h 42
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          Quoting: BeterChiarelli
          I'm going to hold you to a more in-depth answer. Assume the following:

          1. Detroit will not be competitive next season
          2. Quality UFA's are not expected to sign in Detroit next season due to them being a bottom-feeding team (ie, TOI > 19min, point-producing, etc.)
          3. The Red Wings RFA's are re-signed
          4. Free agents aged 36 and older retire
          5. Trading key assets is not in the cards for the Red Wings

          A quick glance at the Red Wings contracts for next year suggests that Bowey, Hronek, and Nemeth are the only full-time NHL defenders Detroit currently has on the books for next year. Biega is a 7th defender by every means and should be used as such. He probably spends the season rotating in and out with Lindstrom, but I doubt either will be effective in their role and neither will be on the team next season. Cholowski probably makes the team out of camp and the amount of games he actually gets in will likely vary on a multitude of factors. Maybe this season is his first full NHL season. Thus, I imagine the NHL depth chart looks something like this:

          Nemeth - Hronek
          [] - Bowey
          Cholowski - Lindstrom
          Biega

          Now consider that your only real UFA options are as follows:
          - Really overpay Edmundson or Gustafsson in terms of AAV and term
          - Overpay Merill, Del Zotto, or Hutton to play more minutes a night than they've ever had
          - Sekera?

          Given that none of these fit either Yzerman's style of management nor does paying high picks and prospects fit Detroit's timeline, the following conclusion is evident: Detroit's best option for filling their gap on the blueline is via trading for a short-term solution.

          There's a chance a Hjarlmarsson or Marc Staal could shake loose, but they have the same conditions as Russell does. It's likely they cost more in terms of future assets than Edmonton's shot-blocking machine does: Arizona and the Rangers are in much more dire cap situations than Edmonton is. Ian Cole might not be a terrible option if the Avalanche are looking to move on from his salary, but like Zadorov, might come at a cost the Red Wings shouldn't be interested in paying.

          I recently did an analysis on Russell over the past three years relative to the top-201 defenders in the NHL (Post #19, https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/333746&post_id=1478874) which pegged him as the #129th best defender in the NHL. He's in the ballpark of a quality #5 defender, and certainly qualifies as a poor man's #4. For the cost of a bottom-six center that won't fetch much at the deadline, this isn't a terrible trade for Detroit. I'm sure Edmonton wouldn't mind adding a late pick or a B-prospect if necessary.


          If Edmonton wants to move Russell and his contract, they are going to have to give additional assets or picks. He is a slow defenseman who is better off as a 6/7 D. His salary of $4 million per year is the killer. Yes I know his actual salary is lower but with the cap staying the same or lower, cap space is at a premium. Teams with cap space and picks are going to have the advantage. Some of the cap strapped teams who want to keep as much of their team intact or who want to add better players will have to make deals (Tampa, Toronto, St. Louis, NYI, Arizona, Vancouver, Chicago).
          12 juin 2020 à 18 h 1
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          Quoting: kingsfaninSD
          If Edmonton wants to move Russell and his contract, they are going to have to give additional assets or picks. He is a slow defenseman who is better off as a 6/7 D. His salary of $4 million per year is the killer. Yes I know his actual salary is lower but with the cap staying the same or lower, cap space is at a premium. Teams with cap space and picks are going to have the advantage. Some of the cap strapped teams who want to keep as much of their team intact or who want to add better players will have to make deals (Tampa, Toronto, St. Louis, NYI, Arizona, Vancouver, Chicago).


          If you can give me more than just anecdotal evidence that Russell is a #6 or #7 defender, I'll agree with you. Good luck, the analysis I used considers effectively everything about Russell. He's a #4 defenceman considering just the defensive and transitional aspects of his game. His utter lack of offense pushes him to a #5.

          Moving Russell shouldn't cost much at all so long as he's sent somewhere that can either afford him, or send cap back. Teams like the Ducks or Kings could take him on for a late pick. The only "trick" to moving Russell is going to be his NTC: the only stipulation will be finding a team that Kris actually wants to play for.
          12 juin 2020 à 18 h 43
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          As a Wings fan I like this trade but that's just my opinion.
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          13 juin 2020 à 11 h 18
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          Quoting: BeterChiarelli
          If you can give me more than just anecdotal evidence that Russell is a #6 or #7 defender, I'll agree with you. Good luck, the analysis I used considers effectively everything about Russell. He's a #4 defenceman considering just the defensive and transitional aspects of his game. His utter lack of offense pushes him to a #5.

          Moving Russell shouldn't cost much at all so long as he's sent somewhere that can either afford him, or send cap back. Teams like the Ducks or Kings could take him on for a late pick. The only "trick" to moving Russell is going to be his NTC: the only stipulation will be finding a team that Kris actually wants to play for.


          From January 1st until the season stopped, Russell played in the least amount of games for Edmonton, 14, out of 29. This should be when the best players are helping make the run to the playoffs. That includes when Klefbom was hurt. Even Benning played 5 more games during this time. So if you are saying that across the league that Russell is a #4 or #5 when he is a #6 on his own team, it must be in the eye of the beholder.
          13 juin 2020 à 13 h 9
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          Quoting: kingsfaninSD
          From January 1st until the season stopped, Russell played in the least amount of games for Edmonton, 14, out of 29. This should be when the best players are helping make the run to the playoffs. That includes when Klefbom was hurt. Even Benning played 5 more games during this time. So if you are saying that across the league that Russell is a #4 or #5 when he is a #6 on his own team, it must be in the eye of the beholder.


          lol Russell had an injury in Feb.. He missed the whole month. Should probably fact check before you say ****
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