That offer is truly pathetic.

Yeah and for both teams, but the Blues one is brutal
MTL send you Evans Mete 2nd rd pick for Scheifele

Yes but Pitrangelo and dunn are going to cost up around 11 mill the blues have around 2 available. So need to clear around 11 million to fill the roster. Those two take care of ten and a Steen buyout solves the rest. Its Pitrangelo and what comes in the trade they get.

Out of the 12 teams that could fit in the cap coming back three are in rebuilds, ottawa Detroit la

Three are set on the right side in the top four Montreal, Buffalo, Colorado

Jersey might be interested but need a left shot

Florida would trade for parayko but won't take both

That leaves wpg, the flames, Dallas and Minnesota

With three in the same division and one in the west they'll never get market value. But they could just let him walk and buy out Steen i suppose

one of the worst parayko offers ive seen. Niku roslovic and a 2nd?


it would start with heinola, 1st +

No, it would start and end with hanging up.

Even if they decide that they need to move Parayko, lots of teams will be interested so they'll be getting fair value. If hes available, you'd better believe the Leafs will be calling and offering a mix of Robertson, Sandin and Liljegren among others

hard No from MTL, they don't need a bottom 6 forward thats 32 years old at 4.1M. especially since they have a bunch of contrats up next year! def don't need to have 4.1M tied up for 2 years.

Damn, I guess my Morrissey, Pionk, Laine, Connor, Scheifele & Ehlers deal for Parayko doesn't go through then

If only because of the cap, that's quite correct.

All 50% retained and we'll take Steen!!!

Heh, keep going.

There are 29 other teams that would make a better offer than that. Is Seattle allowed to make trades yet?

That means they would need to clear 9 million by my count, not eleven.

Allen and Bozak make 9.5ish. Both play depth positions. Both make a lot of money. Both are useful players capable of playing bigger roles on other teams. There's our cap space.

which 29 teams are those? He only has two years left on his contract, if it was one and you could do a sign and trade I could see it.
The Leafs have 4.5 million in cap space with a roster of 17 they'll be interested but need to send salary back
The Yotes have 6.8 million in cap space with a roster to 17 so same thing need to get rid of salary themselves or send it back and they need scoring more then defense
Dallas can make it work but would only want Parayko
The Nucks have 18 million in cap space with a roster of 15 but if they resign Markstrom, Tefolli and Stretcher they'll be right up against the cap
The Flyers have a 12 million and a roster of 15 so they could probably fit it with a minor move but they have Niskanen, Sanheim and Phillip Myers on the right side. There looking to move a defenseman
The Hawks have 6.5 million in cap space with a roster of 22 but no Goaltenders next season
The Caps have just over 10m with a roster of 16 so providing they don't re up Holtby, Braun or Gudas they could squeez him in
The Knights are at 8m with a roster of 16 with schmidt and martinez on their right side they'd need to move salary out
Florida has the space if they don't re up their RFA's but won't take Allen in the deal and have Ekblad and Stralmon on the right side
Edmonton 10m with a roster of 16 but have Ethan Bear, and Athanasiou as rfas and would like to keep Tyler Ennis
The Sharks have Karlsson and Burns on their right side
The Bruins would be interested in just Parayko forgot they cleared out Backes they have 18m with a roster of 18 if they resign krug could still make it work
The Pens have 13m with a roster of 16 with both goaltenders and 6 rfas salary would need to go out
The Sabres have the cap space but have Ristolainin, Montour, Miller and Jokiharju on their right side
The Canes have 8m and a roster of 15 salary would have to move out and they have Hamilton and Pesce on their right side
The Flames could make it work
Tampa has it's own cap knightmares
The preds have 9m with a roster of 17 some salary would need to be moved out
The ducks have 6m with a roster of 16 and are in a rebuild
The wild could make it work but have Dumba and Spurgeon on the right side
The Islanders will all ready have to move out some salary to get Pulock and Barzel fit in
The Jets can easily absorb both Parayko and Allen and use them both
The Rangers will be tight against the cap and have Trouba, Deangelo and Fox on the right side
The Habs have the space but have Weber and Petry on the right side
The Blue Jackets all ready have to move out salary just to get their rfa's signed
The Avs could make it work but have Makar and Johnson on the right side with Makar and Landeskog needing new contracts after next year that 2nd year for Parayko could become problomatic
La is in a rebuild
Ottawa is in a rebuild
Devils could use him but need a left shot more and could use Allen for a season as well

So it's really down to Wpg and Jersey who could use both. Dallas, Nashville and The flames could Use parayko and for the other eight that could make it work it would be a luxury.

In no way am I saying my offer is a fair trade for Parayko, but if Pietrangelo go's down to the negotiating window as high profile UFA's do these days for leverage and they have to shell out 9m to keep him They'll be over the cap by 7 million with Dunn still to sign. I canny Gm could offer sheet Dunn at that point and the blues won't be able to match without being over the 10% over the cap allowed in the off season, even if the offer sheat is only for 2 million which would bring back a 3rd round pick or if they really wanted could offer more on a five year term and it's a 2nd going to the blues. When a teams in that situation Gm's don't bail them out just to be nice.

So is Perrault and you can see on this thread how Montreal fans feel about shelling out a 4th round pick for bottom 6 production, Bozak is useful but only putting up around 40 points 3rd line production which some teams could use but the 5mill cap hit will limit those as it would be a luxury, they'll be going after the players you don't want to trade not the one's you do.

He also has a ten team no trade list which can become a 30 team no trade list if he lists the teams that can fit him, same for schwartz with a 15 team no trade list

If teams can acquire parayko for a pile of crap, they move things around to do it.

I think that's mostly because you traded him to Montreal who by my count already has about, oh, four hundred third-line-maybe-second-on-a-good-day centers. They have tons of depth, they need high impact skill players, and neither Perrault or Bozak are those players. But there are quite a few teams that could use a bonafide third line center who can play up as needed. Minnesota, Colorado, Columbus, NYR, Calgary, Buffalo to name a few. Maybe has a few of those on this NTC, but it's typically not too hard to move good centers.

Also, Bozak would be a more valuable pickup than Perrault anyway.

https://imgur.com/a/Pmo6KMD

Perrault theoretically should be scoring more goals than he has been, and your team has the puck a bit while he's on the ice, but he's leaky in his own end and he's not actually putting up many goals. He's also coming off an injury this season.

Meanwhile, Bozak has been incredible defensively while having about the same production. He's a little overpayed but also the center market is very very thin this year. There's value in a cost controlled center who is great defensively and not a bum offensively for a one year stopgap.

You're acting like these teams would only make one trade though. For example, just because the Knights have Martinez and Schmidt on the right doesn't mean they wouldn't be interested in Parayko and they could find another way to clear cap space.

You're also acting like the Blues HAVE to trade Parayko for nothing if we want Pietrangelo. He's one of the most valuable members of this team. He's pretty far down on the list of people we would explore trading even if it's a position of depth.

Also, GMs bail good teams with cap problems out all the time. PK Subban, Erik Gudbranson, David Backes are all awful but were all moved in just the last year with pretty much their full cap hit. And to the "this team is cap strapped and therefore in no position to bargain" point- Tampa was up against it last year and traded JT Miller which everyone knew they had to do, and they still got a first for him.

Even if Dunn got an offer sheet, he still has to sign it. It was all but confirmed that Marner got a few offer sheets and didn't sign. I'm not convinced that we haven't had a bunch of offer sheets over the last ten years and the players have just been like "nah" because they're all hockey players and they don't want to have the spotlight on them.

You just proposed a sweetheart deal for your team and rightfully got roasted for it, it's fine. You don't need to keep digging yourself in further over it.

We're getting off track here, because the point of bringing these other guys up was separate from the Parayko thing, but:

1. Ondrej Kase is much better than you're giving him credit for. At worst he's a third liner. Probably the second line winger they've been looking for a long time if he can stay healthy.
2. Yeah, which is insane considering the Devils were the only team Nashville had that could take the entirety of a very bad PK Subban's very bad contract. Parayko and Subban aren't the same, because Parayko is much much better, much much younger, and on a much much better deal.
3. Pittsburgh didn't "profit" in the trade from trading Gudbranson, but they don't have to pay this absolutely terrible player four million freaking dollars for this year and next so who cares what they got back? What was in that trade for Anaheim? They weren't making the playoffs with or without Gudbranson. They did Pittsburgh an eight million dollar favor. They bailed them out, so Pittsburgh could acquire a bunch of players at the trade dealine.

The point of bringing those guys up is those are three teams who were in a bind with bad deals on the books in just the past year who were helped out by other teams for no reason and gave up very little or nothing at all in return for unloading those contracts. So I was pushing back on the "GMs don't bail out teams in tough situations" because they literally do all the time. Stupidly, they do it, but they do it.

Even if we want to take a look at something that resembles more closely the Parayko scenario you're laying out, I point again to the JT Miller trade. Miller was a perfectly fine player on a perfectly fine contract that was the only asset without trade protection that Tampa could trade to get under the cap. Everyone knew that. Tampa had no leverage. BUT, they still got a first round pick for Miller (a potentially very valuable pick since Vancouver was not a for sure playoff team) which is about what he was worth if maybe a smidge less. And to Vancouver's credit, he's been great for them, much better than when he was in Tampa. But the point is, teams could have really put the screws to Tampa, and they didn't. So are they going to put the screws to the Blues for a very good player on a great contract at a hard to fill position?

So, you're saying, basically "none of these teams have cap space or roster space for a great player on a great contract except Winnipeg and NJ, and if the Blues want to keep Pietrangelo they have to trade Parayko" and I'm saying "No they don't, because:
1. There's at least four other guys they would explore trading before that (Bozak, Allen, Steen, Faulk) which by some combination would give us the cap space necessary
2. Teams can make multiple moves in an offseason, so the potential suitors for Parayko are not limited to New Jersey and Winnipeg, especially considering Parayko plays the incredibly valuable RHD, which most teams need.
3. It is unlikely that teams will put the screws to the Blues enough that this package (which, I'm about to get into, is bad) is the best the Blues are offered
4. The Winnipeg Jets are a division rival and trading him to the Jets is unpalatable for that reason"

Just because everyone asks for Jack Roslovic (not a prospect) and Sami Niku (barely a prospect) doesn't mean that they fit what the Blues need right now. Sami Niku hasn't been impressive at all in his few NHL games. And he's young, so he might improve, but his value isn't high right now. Roslovic is fine, but he's a bottom six player and we have plenty of those if we keep Bozak and Steen, which in this scenario, we probably would since we're moving Parayko. What we really need is another top six winger, which we don't have the cap space for, so we're coming for your futures instead.

And the futures the Jets have to offer are not great. We'd need at least a first round pick. We'd want a RHD prospect if we're giving up Parayko and going with two older guys, so maybe Niku works there. But we'd also probably want one of your top guys, most of whom are LHD, which we're pretty set on with Dunn-Perunovich-Mikkola-Scandella. And again, you're in division, so we'd be reluctant to turn there anyway. AND, this is not a guy we want to trade at all. There's a bunch of players we'd try to trade before that.