CBJ need a center not another bottom 6 forward they already have enough wingers.

Yeah... that’s a no from Columbus. Johnsson doesn’t add anything we don’t already have. We have too many wings already. We need a center (that’s not so hard to understand is it). Johnsson would likely end up back on the 3rd line. He’s a better fit then Kapanen but with adding Foudy and Grigoranko to the team already it’s not worth trading Savard for him in the offseason. Maybe at the deadline if Columbus is out, but then we have better offers anyways.

He is a top 6 forward

So what do you want for Savard?

Definitely not he’s a high end 3rd liner Or a ow end 2nd liner So he’s a mid six guy

that doesnt get u savard

honestly just do Holl + Kerfoot for Anderson + Savard (1mill retained). Both sides get good value and Toronto can do as they wish with Anderson as with Dubas negotiating skills he can either sign him to bridge deal or trade him for more value.

That seems like an ill advised move for the Leafs.

All stats say low end first liner high end 2nd liner. His speed and tenacious play makes him an easy decision for top 6 to generate offence.

thats a very good move for them. Holl is okay but he needs to be with muzzin to achieve anything and since signing that 2mill contract he started to play poorly plus muzzin wasnt there to help. Kerfoot is okay but leafs will be looking for a new 3c cause at 3.5mill and those numbers yeah that wont cut it for this team especially with the cap not going up. Josh anderson was injured this year so his numbers were down, and Savard is the best option when it comes to a defensive RHD, and should not be to expensive to resign.

By moving Holl the leafs can keep dermott and have

Rielly-Savard
Muzzin-Dermott
Sandin-Lehtonen

What are you basing the fact that Holl played poorly after he signed the extension on? From the time of signing, his point pace and advanced stats remained somewhat similar to what they were beforehand, and this was with their two top D (one of which is Muzzin, his regular partner who he supposedly can't be good without) missing significant time. Holl actually outperformed Savard this year.

The Leafs might look for a new 3C, we have no way of knowing. That justification is pretty frail, though. The cost for Kerfoot is fine and it's quite clear he had a down year and is likely to bounce back next season. With this trade though, their search for a 3C is pretty limited because the cap stays nearly even. Even if we assume the Leafs are able to trade Johnsson for no cap back, they have less than $700k to work with to find a new 3C, so you're looking at trading out other players whether that be just to clear cap to sign someone or trade directly for a C.

I'd gladly add either of those players, but a deal where the Leafs lose two longer term guys just doesn't make sense.

This....

Holl>Savard from basic and advanced stats and the eyeball test. Holl is the ideal 2nd pairing defense men for Muzzin, we cannot trade him.

In general Holl is a good Dman but being 27th in the league for GA aint good for this teams cup chances. Savard is one of the key reasons Columbus has a GA that is 3rd in the league. With his ability to block shots better than anyone on the leafs and play a defensive style game he is the perfect option for Rielly. Sure losing Holl sucks but if leafs acquire 2 defensively gifted players Im all for it.

Our team presently has one notable positional hole: #2C.
Trading Savard would give our team a second notable positional hole: #2RD.

I do not want to be in a position in which we create a new hard-to-fill positional hole without fixing the existing one. This strikes me as just plain good sense.

What no! Holl by all means is better then Savard. In fact, Savard has horrible advanced stats. (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/toronto-maple-leafs-advanced-statistics/#skatr)

Savard is slightly better for xGa, but far worse possesion-wise, he has far worse shot suppression, AND he has a higher Ozone start ratio.

Holl is really good. We SHOULD NOT trade our 2nd best shutdown defensemen. It's that simple.

I take it by this line of argument that you also believe the best blueliner in Columbus is actually Dean Kukan.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kukan is pretty good. But context - such as, say, deployment situations - is kind of important.

you gotta remember the majority of those numbers were influenced by Muzzin. So what your saying is your okay with the leafs having a D-core that wont benefit Freddie whatsoever okay. cause lets face it

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Lehtonen

will not be a good dcore and with this team needing a cup moves to improve our blue line must be made cause 27th in GA is not good. I know Muzzin and Rielly were hurt but keefe said it best. Good teams do not let injuries bother them they push through and win.

Actually Kukan is one of the worst defensemen on the Jackets. He is pretty good defensively but it's hard to get scored on when you start OZone 83rd percentile, where as Holl starts OZone in the 8th percentile.

Werenski is definitely the best CBJ defense men, Jones isn't far behind.

Holl is pretty damn under rated.

No the numbers are team mate relative. When he had to play with Marincin and Dermott he continued to perform defensively. He actually made Muzzin quite a bit better. As of now I'm fine with the defense, but if 2-3 months in it's getting crushed, which I doubt, then we make some moves. I just don't think downgrading Holl to Savard makes sense.

100% agree, in terms of shot blocking ability, and his defensive zone coverage savard is just perfect for the leafs especially for their #1Dman rielly. He needs a partner and so far savard is the best affordable option.

really wouldnt be a downgrade.

Savard plays with rielly allowing rielly to bounce back
Dermott plays with Muzzin and should rielly or muzzin get hurt he can take their place
In general leafs can manage without him

Rielly-Savard
Muzzin-Dermott
Sandin-Lehtonen
will work just fine.

But you're not getting what I'm saying. You criticize the current defense then owngrade it. I like picking up Savard, but it doesn't make sense to trade away Holl. HOLL IS BETTER THEN SAVARD!!!

If we trade a few picks away then we end up with:

Rielly-Savard
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Lehtonen

Trade Dermott?

His high shot blocking number isn't really a good thing. It's an indicator that when he is on the ice, the other team has the puck in the Ozone and are directing shots toward the net.

And yet his xGF% is still above 51%, and his high danger CF% is one of the best on the team. Curious, y'know. It's almost as though he's, y'know, a stay-at-home defenseman rather than a transition guy.

Okay... Do you think that I think he is bad or something? All I said was that a high number of blocked shots is an indication that his team is getting shot against a lot while he is on the ice, which is true and in this case was accurate. He had a down year, there's no way around it, but he's not a bad player by any means.