Yeah, No. CHI hard pass.

You over value Saad way to much.

Sign me up lmao

Hard pass for pit

Not a chance PIT trades McCann, Id actually rather have McCann over Sadd

No way should Chicago entertain this especially with an extension in place with Saad. Saad is plain and simple a better player then McCann who has trouble staying on the ice. Then adding in good prospects in Barratt and Beaudin plus a 2nd for a streaky Murray who's coming off of a bad season, why? Murray's rights are worth a 2nd round pick so another way to look at it is giving up Barratt, Beaudin and Saad plus an extension for McCaan...no way should the Hawks touch this. I get McCann has upside at his age and may become a better player then Saad but you're giving up too much for an unknown.

You are well known to undervalue Saad as you don't understand the game he plays.

Why? I'd easily rather have Saad. McCann can't stay on the ice and while he had a good season this past season, similar in production to Saad, historically he's had trouble staying on the ice.

Oh oh... someone got ChiHawk going... let me get my popcorn.

I will say that McCann is having a decent season. Where I have a really hard time is people not understanding that a guy like Kessel can have 82 points in PITs system and then literally the next year score 38 points. I mean....that's not just a few points. It's literally 44 points. I know that doesn't tell 100% of the story, but it's hard to argue against.

yeah only enlightened people like you "understand" the game he plays.

Here is what I know, CHI got F took when you traded him for Panarin.
Because CHI much like you severely over values him.

Let's take a second to explore this. You say CHI got F'd. CBJ got 114 points before Panarin walked and they got nothing in return. Saad has 115 points and another season to go. CHI wasn't going to be able to keep Panarin. Imagine $32.6M going to just 3 players....and then Seabs contract. It wouldn't have worked at all. Now....could Stan have gotten more. Maybe. We can have that discussion, but it's a different discussion. I don't think CHI got F'd. But I do agree that maybe they could have got more in a different kind of trade.

"That's business baby" ~Artemi Panarin

@exo2769 this is the same guy who was telling people Saad is severely overpaid last offseason because he based everything on points and kept highlighting Saad's one down year a couple years ago. He couldn't grasp the concept that Saad is one of the top 20 if not top 10 two way defensive wingers in the game. Then to add to it, this season he was on pace for 30 goals coming in as his 2nd best season of his career, and what is this guy left with?...bringing up the Panarin trade to justify his lack of understanding of what Saad brings to the ice. Too funny!

Saad would be an absolute beast on the Pens top line and pretty sure would have a career year there. That said, I want nothing to do with trading him unless it is a massive overpayment.

Sooooo, what I’ve gathered in this thread so far is: 1) both sides like to overvalue their players and then accuse the other side of the same thing, and, 2) far too many debates on this site devolve into disrespecting each other because either side dislikes an opinion or said opinion doesn’t line up with the other sides argument.

Am I missing anything? Guys, both sides have points in this argument. I will say to pens fans, respectfully, I wouldn’t do this trade. No, I won’t diss the trade, I’ll just say it’s just too much to give up. I love beaudin and I really hope Barrett actually becomes something. As for Saad, I don’t trust us trading him cuz we just won’t get good value for him. Never mind OVER payment, I’d just take GOOD payment, but I don’t think that will happen. I haven’t paid enough attention to McCann but I know enough about Murray and I just don’t know if that’s a trade I’d go for.

Im not trying to say anything bad about Saad bc IMO he is a great winger but McCann will be cost controlled around $2.5 - $3.25m for next 3+ yrs and can play 1st to 3rd line wing or 3rd line Center just as good.
And I've been a fan of his since he was in Jrs & have been super excited since he got here.
+ Sully & GMJR love him and prob will not trade him.

For cost control reasons I get the argument but skill wise, I'd take Saad for the next couple years at his peak. This is not a great trade for either team. I think Pit would do well with Saad but they need McCann too. The question is what does Pit have to offer, assuming it's a TDL deal and the hawks are out of it? No Murray either.

The fact that you think that Saad has only had one "bad" season shows that you certainly know what "lack of understanding what Saad brings to the ice" truly means.

I'll give you that Saad IS one of the top ten two way defensive wingers... on the Blackhawks roster. But that is a laughable comment for league wide, doesn't hold for conference, and not even division.

We also agree that it would not be difficult for Saad to have a career year in Pittsburgh... he hasn't set the bar all that high afterall.

Top 10 in the game... thanks for the chuckle.

Someone could offer Ovechkin @50% retained for Saad and ChiHawk would say Washington needs to add. I wish that I could do two little hearts for the a's. Its so out there that it qualifies as true entertainment.

Brandon Sd

Because I think it'll be hard to give Saad the $$ and term he wants. CHI will be getting a #1 goalie who is only 26 (I know Murray had a down year, but he's won 2 cups and has a career .914). Also adding a nice Top 6 winger who is only 24 with a more reasonable contract. With Regula, Carlson, Mitchell, Boqvist, Vlasic - It feels like Beaudin could be expendable. Barratt is a nice prospect, but you have to give something to get something...Just my two cents

ChiHawk just loves the hawks. He’s a dedicated fan, much like many on this site. All things being equal, most fans on this site are guilty of overvaluing and defending the talent on their team. Saad is a great talent, but so is McCann. This trade just isn’t feasible from both sides, and there’s no reason to smite the trade or insult the one making it. I respect the idea.

yeah here is another way to look at it.

Panarin;s first two years in chicago.
15-16
3rd, Central

16-17
1st, Central

Chicago after trading Panarin.
17-18
7th, Central

18-19
6th, Central

19-20
7th, Central

Great trade.
Keep up the good work.

I said elsewhere that everyone homers their own team... but...

Wow... Ok... I gotta stop laughing so that I can type...

This isn't me going for you like I do with ChiHawk or Eli. You just kicked open this door.

Now, trying to compare 3 years of stats to 2 in order to level the field just screams of grasping at straws. That would have been enough to go after. However, Saad's 115 points vs Panarin's 114 points. Paran didn't get 114 points when he went back to Columbus, he got 114 assists.
Saad was 35+47+33 = 115
Panarin 82+87 = 169

You compared 3 years of points to 2 years of assists, ignoring 55 goals. Fantastic. I know that it was 100% innocent mistake. Probably sort of doing something else and just wanted to do a quick reply and looked at the wrong column, sort of thing. But from this side of the table it is amazing.

You totally just Wile E. Coyote'd this thread. (You might not be old enough for that reference, you probably would need to be 45+)

And CHI won the cup the year before Panarin...you're point? Lots of things happen. Are you suggesting the team got worse because Panarin joined? A team isn't one player.

Yup! I definitely missed the assists, but I'm compared the full years of value each player brought to each team...not just cherry picked specific stats to support one side of discussion. AND Let's look at the whole trade because CBJs side of the trade tree died, but Forsberg (and Forsling) got DeHaan and who knows what will happen next year. Saad might even be traded since he's a pending UFA...so the value may just keep growing too!

It's also why Bowman's trade for Dale Weise and Steve Flesichman is considered bad. Because despite the Hawks trying to go for the cup...they gave up Phillip Danault and what turned out to be Alexander Romanov. Believe me...it had NOTHING to do with Danault's 5 points to finish the season. It's because he had a chance to develop into the NHL and the pick is appearing to be a solid draft pick.