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Équipe: 2021-22 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 4 juin 2020
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Slight cap increase in 2021. 1 CBO for 2020. Lots of Yutes. Ferland retires on LTIR after a season.
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6 juin 2020 à 0 h 41
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Not sure why Ottawa, a rebuilding team would give up picks for that. Maybe they want Demko with Andy retiring but is there a way to cut the rest? Like maybe leave it at 1 2nd instead?
6 juin 2020 à 1 h 13
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Not sure why Ottawa, a rebuilding team would give up picks for that. Maybe they want Demko with Andy retiring but is there a way to cut the rest? Like maybe leave it at 1 2nd instead?


2-2nds would be ok
6 juin 2020 à 1 h 45
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Pettersson and Hughes will get more on 8 year deals. Pettersson could get around 11M and Hughes possible 10M+.
6 juin 2020 à 1 h 54
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Quoting: Canucks33
Pettersson and Hughes will get more on 8 year deals. Pettersson could get around 11M and Hughes possible 10M+.


I disagree.

Pettersson will highly depend on Barzal. I've made it clear that I won't deliberate on that contract until Barzal extends. 11M is his upper limit at 8. Hypothetically I see 10-10.5

Hughes is best served as a bridge. Keeps the cap low during what could be our prime years... just balances out better. Give him 4 years at about 7.5M and amp up the last year to be around 9 - 10 M. As an 8 year.... Likely in the 9M range... no way he's getting above 10M
6 juin 2020 à 2 h 5
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I disagree.

Pettersson will highly depend on Barzal. I've made it clear that I won't deliberate on that contract until Barzal extends. 11M is his upper limit at 8. Hypothetically I see 10-10.5

Hughes is best served as a bridge. Keeps the cap low during what could be our prime years... just balances out better. Give him 4 years at about 7.5M and amp up the last year to be around 9 - 10 M. As an 8 year.... Likely in the 9M range... no way he's getting above 10M


The 11M range projection is based off of Eichel signing his contract which was worth 13.33% of the cap at the time. Pettersson has scored at a higher rate over his career to the same point. So a baseline of 13.33% with an 81.5M cap puts Pettersson at around 10.9M, but he could reasonably ask for more.

I don't like bridging young franchise players. We save money in the short term, but lose money in the long term since their big contract kicks in sooner. If we go 8 years now for whatever he's worth, then he's locked in as the cap hopefully rises over that time. Then we get a below market value deal for longer and at a more important time. The Boeser bridge was a bit different because he still has to prove that he can play 82 games, but even then I wouldn't have minded an 8 year deal. That's the only way you can get a deal that evolves into a steal as time goes on.
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6 juin 2020 à 8 h 29
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Hughes has played 1 year and you guys are handing him that kind of money.
I mean really let him play that contract out first.
6 juin 2020 à 11 h 1
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Quoting: pharrow
Hughes has played 1 year and you guys are handing him that kind of money.
I mean really let him play that contract out first.


It is for the 21-22 season and there is validity in what you say, but if you roll the dice and lock in a young elite player early you do get the benefit of it being a team friendly deal down the line.
6 juin 2020 à 18 h 43
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It is for the 21-22 season and there is validity in what you say, but if you roll the dice and lock in a young elite player early you do get the benefit of it being a team friendly deal down the line.


team friendly? people on here talking 10.5 and you are here talking about team friendly?
None of those contract numbers above are "team friendly"
6 juin 2020 à 19 h 8
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team friendly? people on here talking 10.5 and you are here talking about team friendly?
None of those contract numbers above are "team friendly"


This people isn’t handing out long terms & top $ solely based on what other players like Eichel got. I’ll give term for a team contract $. We don’t have to entice players to wanna play & live in Vancouver. For Hughes & Petey it’s my offers or it’s 2yr bridge deals as incentive if they want the home run in the future.
6 juin 2020 à 19 h 19
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Won't be CBOs - Fehr, or Fuhrer, will not lose up to 31 high-paying dues members of the NHLPA country-club union.
* Who was taken in expansion to the southern rival??
6 juin 2020 à 19 h 31
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Won't be CBOs - Fehr, or Fuhrer, will not lose up to 31 high-paying dues members of the NHLPA country-club union.
* Who was taken in expansion to the southern rival??


The NHLPA doesn’t lose dues. The cap would get reallocated to other players.

Good Q. I’d think Juolevi or Lind I guess. If UFA’s sign a 1yr Covid contract that makes life easy.
6 juin 2020 à 19 h 38
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The NHLPA doesn’t lose dues. The cap would get reallocated to other players.

Good Q. I’d think Juolevi or Lind I guess. If UFA’s sign a 1yr Covid contract that makes life easy.


No matter - CBO's won't be a thing.
To his current members (with fat paychecks and time-served) it cuts the legs from under them. Thus it'll either force them out of the league or they'll have to pick-up-sticks and move. As most are assuredly vets, this would not make many happy campers and been seen as a weakness/weakening in/of the union...
6 juin 2020 à 19 h 45
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No matter - CBO's won't be a thing.
To his current members (with fat paychecks and time-served) it cuts the legs from under them. Thus it'll either force them out of the league or they'll have to pick-up-sticks and move. As most are assuredly vets, this would not make many happy campers and been seen as a weakness/weakening in/of the union...


I hearya but those vets are far past their prime for the contracts of size. Hanger ons don’t help teams to pay their up & coming stars or RFA’s what is fair market value. If those vets can still play they’ll get signed somewhere adding to their CBO. Those forced out lost it on merit as in not good enough. Pro sports moves ahead adding talent that need spots to play for.
6 juin 2020 à 19 h 55
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I hearya but those vets are far past their prime for the contracts of size. Hanger ons don’t help teams to pay their up & coming stars or RFA’s what is fair market value. If those vets can still play they’ll get signed somewhere adding to their CBO. Those forced out lost it on merit as in not good enough. Pro sports moves ahead adding talent that need spots to play for.


Great story...but Fehr didn't lead the biggest dispute/strike/lockout in pro-sports for nothin' or to allow Francesco to write off even more deadwood.
New 18, 19, 20 year-olds will not strengthen the PA. They weaken it in fact and in time that allows the owners to gain the upper-hand even more.
His current experienced members know the consequences of a CBO and will not vote one in...
6 juin 2020 à 20 h 19
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team friendly? people on here talking 10.5 and you are here talking about team friendly?
None of those contract numbers above are "team friendly"


Even $10.5 will be significantly more team friendly in 3yrs on an 8 yr deal when the cap has gone up with expansion and a new tv deal then signing a bridge for 3yrs then signing an extension on one of those guys at what $12M. Part of it is % of cap, the other is a team willing to bet on player long term that the player will be exceptional. Positive example of a team doing that are contracts like MacKinnon, Barkov, Schiefle but teams do it and get it wrong ala Ryan. But teams have to pay to have players to sacrifice UFA years. If I was the GM of VAN I’d long term Petersson and bridge Hughes but that’s me.
6 juin 2020 à 21 h 16
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Even $10.5 will be significantly more team friendly in 3yrs on an 8 yr deal when the cap has gone up with expansion and a new tv deal then signing a bridge for 3yrs then signing an extension on one of those guys at what $12M. Part of it is % of cap, the other is a team willing to bet on player long term that the player will be exceptional. Positive example of a team doing that are contracts like MacKinnon, Barkov, Schiefle but teams do it and get it wrong ala Ryan. But teams have to pay to have players to sacrifice UFA years. If I was the GM of VAN I’d long term Petersson and bridge Hughes but that’s me.


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This people isn’t handing out long terms & top $ solely based on what other players like Eichel got. I’ll give term for a team contract $. We don’t have to entice players to wanna play & live in Vancouver. For Hughes & Petey it’s my offers or it’s 2yr bridge deals as incentive if they want the home run in the future.


You are both nuts.
Hughes at 6-7 is a team friendly deal.
There are 7 defense men making 8+ 7 in the whole league.
You know how many are considered "good" contracts. Maybe 2.
6 juin 2020 à 23 h 50
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You are both nuts.
Hughes at 6-7 is a team friendly deal.
There are 7 defense men making 8+ 7 in the whole league.
You know how many are considered "good" contracts. Maybe 2.


Did you you even read what I wrote? I said I would bridge Hughes which my guess would be in $6M range.
7 juin 2020 à 0 h 45
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Did you you even read what I wrote? I said I would bridge Hughes which my guess would be in $6M range.


Even on a bridge 6 is high.
His bridge would be in the 4-5 mil range.
McAvoy got 4.9 last year.
I don't know where you get this stuff from.
7 juin 2020 à 9 h 6
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Even on a bridge 6 is high.
His bridge would be in the 4-5 mil range.
McAvoy got 4.9 last year.
I don't know where you get this stuff from.


McAvoy isn’t a comp. McAvoy was on track for his highest pt total this year projected to be 39 pts. Hughes was on track for 63 pts that’s a whole other ball park.
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7 juin 2020 à 10 h 37
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McAvoy isn’t a comp. McAvoy was on track for his highest pt total this year projected to be 39 pts. Hughes was on track for 63 pts that’s a whole other ball park.


McAvoy is a bonified 1RD and a puck mover. HTF is that not a comp.
You put way to much into points. You don't get paid on points, you get paid on play.
7 juin 2020 à 10 h 48
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McAvoy is a bonified 1RD and a puck mover. HTF is that not a comp.
You put way to much into points. You don't get paid on points, you get paid on play.


McAvoy makes for a very good top 4 D. Top 2 if with an elite LHD. He doesn’t drive the play anywhere near Hughes. Hughes is elite McAvoy injury issues making him a tier down.

Bridge for Hughes 1/7m or 2/7.5m.
EP 2/8m

Much is expected of Petey being an elite 1C. As for Hughes as awesome as he is he’s not quite that all around stud. That said he will be the PPQB for many years & break down the forecheck making him nearly EP’s equal.

After the bridge deals end & the covid uncertainty cap wise sorts out & the new tv deal kicks in they both will cash in big.
EP 7/10m
Hughes 8/9m
7 juin 2020 à 11 h 0
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McAvoy makes for a very good top 4 D. Top 2 if with an elite LHD. He doesn’t drive the play anywhere near Hughes. Hughes is elite McAvoy injury issues making him a tier down.

Bridge for Hughes 1/7m or 2/7.5m.
EP 2/8m

Much is expected of Petey being an elite 1C. As for Hughes as awesome as he is he’s not quite that all around stud. That said he will be the PPQB for many years & break down the forecheck making him nearly EP’s equal.

After the bridge deals end & the covid uncertainty cap wise sorts out & the new tv deal kicks in they both will cash in big.
EP 7/10m
Hughes 8/9m


McAvoy doesn't drive play?
Do you watch hockey?

As far as McAvoy having injury issues, that's really a weak reason.

You think there is some stupid formula that every 10 points gets you 1 million in salary. That's just dumb.
It doesn't work that way.

McAvoy is a top RHD in the league, of the same age as Hughes and frankly, much much much better in his own zone.
The guy carried statue Chara on his back retrieving every single puck on the ice when paired with him. But according to you, does not drive play.

You are the definition of a homer.
7 juin 2020 à 11 h 1
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McAvoy is a bonified 1RD and a puck mover. HTF is that not a comp.
You put way to much into points. You don't get paid on points, you get paid on play.


Ok we will just ignore that 61% greater point production rate, might as well ignore CF and CF% too since Hughes numbers are significantly better playing on a significantly worse team.
7 juin 2020 à 11 h 20
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Ok we will just ignore that 61% greater point production rate, might as well ignore CF and CF% too since Hughes numbers are significantly better playing on a significantly worse team.


do you realize in 5v5 play this year McAvoy has more points right? 26 to 25.
and that the corsi is only .5 higher.
And that when Hughes was on the ice VAN coughed up 13 more goals in 1 more game played.

I mean really, let me know when you want to talk about what a guy actually does.

Yes Hughes got some PP points. his 274.6 minutes vs McAvoy's 91.4 goes a long way on that.
But that's probably because Hughes can't defend and got a whopping 4.4 minutes in PK time while McAvoy got 141.1.

We can also note Hughes 58.2% starts in his Ozone while McAvoy got 49.6% in his Ozone. 5v5 play

But go on with your BS analysis of a player.
Less points in 5v5 play, less ability to play in his own zone. But you think he's somehow worth millions more.
Sorry, not sorry, he's not.
7 juin 2020 à 11 h 28
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Some ppl need to stay up late & watch players before cherry picking stats to suit their narrative lol
 
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