You know my position. Don't trade for a goalie at all. Sign Crow and Sign any of (Greiss Markstrom Talbot...etc.. OR even Ivan Nalimov) If you trade Strome, it's better to focus that trade on something different than a goalie.

***EDIT*** I actually did see a pretty decent Cayden Primeau trade for DStrome, but it also had more pieces to it.

Value isn't bad at all

What’s your position about drafting Askarov? Hard to justify a goalie with a top 10 pick since they’re harder to predict.

I wouldn't draft him with a top 10 pick either. I would however draft (2) goalies in the later rounds and allow them time to develop.

All the goalies since Carey Price drafted in the 1st round are...
Jake Oettinger, Ilya Samsanov, Malcom Subban, Vasi, Jack Campbell, Mark Visentin, Chet Pickard, Thomas McCollum, Riku Helenius, Leland Irving, Varlomov, Jonathan Bernier....I mean Bernie was pretty good last year on a terrible team, but still...probably not worth a 1st round pick.

BUT an even more important part of this is......Starting goalies can be found in ANY round. If you go through all the teams and look to see where their starting goalie were drafted...you'd find that highest number of starting goalies were drafted in the 2nd round...then the 3rd round...THEN the 1st round. Starting goalies need time to develop.

the last goalie to win the Vezina AND the Cup...Tim Thomas drafted in the 9th round. The last goalie drafted in the 1st round pick to win a cup...over a decade ago...08/09 PIT Penguins.

Strome, Carlsson, 5th for Jarry, Joseph, 3rd

Offense only:
Strome: 0.66G/60, 2.30P/60
Sheary: 0.57G/60. 2.30p/60 (as a Pen this year)
Kahun: 0.80G/60, 2.31P/60 (as a Pen this year)

A 3C that is not defensive, not physical, and not good at faceoffs is not ideal.

Flip Murray for Jarry, 100% remove Joseph. Chicago can keep Carlsson. Murray, 3rd for Strome, 5th is much more realistic.

Personally don't want to draft him

Zero chance. Seeing that you're only looking at stats this year, murray had a .898 save percentage. hawks don't want him. Strome is a 2C. look further back in you're stats than just one year. Strome had 51 pts in 58 games last year. .88 per game. And he's only 23, no where near his peak. Where those guys you mentioned are first of all not even natural centerman and second of all older (especially sheary).

This is a joke...you're comparing Sheary's grand total of EIGHT games played.......ALL of which as a line mate to Crosby and extrapolating that out over an 82 game season. What's your view on Ryan Poehling? He played 1 game in 2018/2019 and got a hat trick. I bet you must think he'll score 246 goals per season, no?

What about Sheary's whopping season total of 23 points...or 34 points before that...or 30 points (with PIT) before that?

well I would argue PIT probably doesnt win the 2016 and 2017 cups without Fleury, and he went 1OA, but i get the point. I also wouldnt trade Strome for a goalie. If we trade Strome, it should be for a defensive piece that can help us win or for futures, in which case we would let Delia and Lankinen play and if we tank, we tank and sell off

Come into my parlor... You walked right into it. Fine, them look past this past year. Murray two Cups, yadda yadda yadda.

If Strome is a 2C then that is a seriously garbage team. And the other people not being centers isn't relevant because as I point out, what you want from your center, Strome doesn't have.

I wasn't saying those other guys are good, that's actually the point. I was pointing out that Strome is over rated.

But you're WAY over inflating Sheary's stats and then trying to compare his inflated stats to a guy that (for some stupid reason) was asked to play wing half of the season last year when he's actually a center. That consequently dropped his scoring from .88ppg down to .65ppg ... It's like saying Crosby only got 6 points in his last 11 games....so clearly he's only ever going to be a ~.5ppg player.

Damn that was like...the best explanation ever. Lol. It’s really a toss up. You gotta hit with this draft pick if you want this thing to turn around. Three top 10 draft picks in a row you gotta make good use of them. If you pick Askarov it’ll be 50-50. If he makes it then great because you listed some great goalies. But you also listed some who I’ve never even heard of which is just as plausible. You take an O or D with #9OA and it’s much much closer to being a guaranteed top end player.

Also it’s obvious the Hawks will be drafting Lafreniere so this is a moot point. 😂

100% agree as not only hard to predict but 4 to 5 years away from seeing the NHL, don't do it

I believe in the last 20 years, 18 goalies have been selected in the 1st round and only 5 of those goalies have more then 10 NHL starts with the team that drafted them.

Notoriously, goalies take long time to develop also. Price (#5) didn't see ice for 5 years. Ward (#23) took 6 years to get a backup job.

Hawks should not take Askarov....the kid is 17 years old and for sure is at least 4 years or likely more from playing in the NHL. And the hit rate on drafting a goalie in the 1st round and becoming a full time starter in the league is around 33%....much better hit rate on a top 10 pick in every other position at roughly double.

Missing The Point for $500 Alex...

PIT doesn't want Strome. Period.

Don't care that murray has two cups, so does crawford. Heck the hawks won a cup with niemi. The other people not being centers is important when judging the value of a player. Center is a much more valuable position. I don't care if Strome isn't physical or isn't a selke finalist every year. He's proven to be able to get 50+ points per year as a low 20's year old consistently. Thats 2C production. You care about him not being a good defender or physical. There are so many other centers in the league that have the same issues. That doesn't mean you bury them on the third line because of it.

So many pens fans are making posts about trading for strome, so while you might not want him, many other pens fans do

I didn't say PIT fans don't want strome. some do, and they are very sadly mistaken. PIT management would not acquire strome. it would be completely antithetical to everything they have done and the way they have build this team.

Chicago fans take a 6 value player... homer him up to a 7.5 value... then want 9 value in return and go after anyone that doesn't offer at least 8.5 value.

Everyone homer's their own team, but I dont think that any fanbase on here approached Chicago.

Some individuals maybe. Eli was... boy. He would suggest a trade of the Caps #30ish 1st rounder for some teams top-10 first rounder and expect the other team to add a little because obviously the Caps pick is worth more because it is the Caps pick...

But for fanbase on here... no one lopsides trades like Chicago AGMs.

I really can’t see, personally, why Pittsburgh would trade for strome in all fairness. My logic is Pittsburgh won two straight cups off pure skill and speed. Guns blazing and balls to walls. Now, in recent years, JR has certainly transitioned the team towards more size and less speed and skill. Needless to say, it’s not working, period. So I gotta agree with the Pitt fans who don’t want strome. Strome can put up points, but in now way shape or form does he fit into the system they try to play. Pittsburgh needs to get back to speed and skill, and strome doesn’t play that way. Just the way I see it.

I'm defending Stromes value. That doesn't mean I can't agree with you. Strome doesn't fit PIT's system AT ALL! You're right! In all sincerity, I think honest commentary comes when you understand both sides. PIT is a run an gun team. Strome is a methodical two way player. I do think Strome can gun, but he ain't runnin... He doesnt' fit what PIT wants. Just like Murray (or Jarry) doesn't fit what CHI wants. Great post.

There are TWO things that are certain on this site. TOR fans will over value their wingers....PIT fans will over value their goalies. It's been that way since PIT fans thought flower would be traded for a 1st round pick....BUT soon the harsh reality was that they needed to send a 2nd round pick away just to get rid of him... I can at least tell you that Nylander was a bad trade, BUT if you take an honest look the JR's trade the past THREE years...can you tell me he isn't the WORST gm in the league???

I posted a ...post in the forums about Rutherfords last year of trades. It's not a pretty picture.

Did I just undercut the anti-Pens thing that you were trying to use against me there? I'm not a homer, you'll have to do better than trying to use reality against me.