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Committed to full rebuild

Créé par: dzmets
Équipe: 2020-21 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 4 juin 2020
Publié: 5 juin 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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This won't happen, but if the Sharks really committed to a full rebuild I think these type of moves could really put them in a strong position in 2-3 years to be in a great cap position with tons of young talent ready to compete for years to come. Admittedly the next 2 years would likely be very painful.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
21 150 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
24 250 000 $
2850 000 $
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54 750 000 $
33 250 000 $
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SJS
  1. Dubé, Dillon
  2. Lucic, Milan
  3. Välimäki, Juuso
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
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SJS
  1. Anderson, Josh [Droits de RFA]
  2. Gavrikov, Vladislav [Droits de RFA]
  3. Texier, Alexandre
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CBJ)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (CBJ)
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SJS
  1. Neal, James
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (EDM)
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SJS
  1. Bratt, Jesper [Droits de RFA]
  2. Subban, P.K.
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (VAN)
NJD
  1. Karlsson, Erik (2 500 000 $ retained)
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SJS
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
DET
  1. Jones, Martin
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TBL)
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5 juin 2020 à 7 h 9
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I'll let you know right now, Burns doesnt have nearly that value, I dont think you could get Valimaki straight up for Burns, taking Lucic helps but dont know if enough.

Edmonton would need you to retain on Kane, even with taking Neal.

I think NJ may actually do that trade.

Vlasic has negative value, he will be contract the sharks will have to pay another team to move.

And Columbus isn't in a position to be trading away 1st round picks and prospects, they already have such a small pool of them I dont think they give away any more.
5 juin 2020 à 7 h 14
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Well if you took out all those NMC and NTC....and those players have no reason to move, you are left only with Jones to trade.
No gotta believe San Jose are stuck with those aging long term contracts
5 juin 2020 à 7 h 39
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5 juin 2020 à 7 h 52
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Quoting: palhal
Well if you took out all those NMC and NTC....and those players have no reason to move, you are left only with Jones to trade.
No gotta believe San Jose are stuck with those aging long term contracts


I think if those guys know it's going to be a multi year rebuild they will waive to go somewhere that they think they can be competitive. Guys waive NMC and NTC all the time. In fact every TBL fan on this site has assured me that ever player on their team is going to waive their NMC to go elsewhere this offseason so they can keep their RFA's
5 juin 2020 à 7 h 57
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I'll let you know right now, Burns doesnt have nearly that value, I dont think you could get Valimaki straight up for Burns, taking Lucic helps but dont know if enough.

Edmonton would need you to retain on Kane, even with taking Neal.

I think NJ may actually do that trade.

Vlasic has negative value, he will be contract the sharks will have to pay another team to move.

And Columbus isn't in a position to be trading away 1st round picks and prospects, they already have such a small pool of them I dont think they give away any more.


Perhaps change Valimaki to Kylington in the Calgary deal to get it done and add a cheap 4th line player headed to the Flames to help out. I think Kanes contract is fair value and when you consider Edmonton is only adding 1.25 million to their cap with Neal moving out I think this is a big win for them. I don't think Vlasic has negative value. Maybe would not get a large return and perhaps you have to retain 1 to 1.5 on him, but he is definitely moveable to a team that thinks they can win a cup with in 2-3 years that needs a steady experienced left d
5 juin 2020 à 9 h 51
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Hahahaha wtf is that NJ trade
5 juin 2020 à 9 h 54
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I think NJ may actually do that trade.


you're joking right? rebuilding team giving up one of the most skilled players on the roster at 21 years old, and a 1st rounder in a stacked 1st round for an aging Karlsson? NJ declines this trade so fast
5 juin 2020 à 10 h 12
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Yeah on what planet would Erik Karlsson waive his NMC for New Jersey? Yeah that's so not happening. And they're surely not eating $2.5 million over the next 6 years or so either. And Detroit has no use for Martin Jones he doesn't fit our rebuild. Would rather have Lehner or Holtby personally.
5 juin 2020 à 10 h 19
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you're joking right? rebuilding team giving up one of the most skilled players on the roster at 21 years old, and a 1st rounder in a stacked 1st round for an aging Karlsson? NJ declines this trade so fast


Bratt isnt a huge loss, he will be a middle six winger his whole career, you're also dumping off a far worst dman in Subban, the 1st is Vancouvers pick so likely a 20-24 pick all for although an aging Karlsson, still a good player, especially at that cap hit.
5 juin 2020 à 10 h 21
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That Jackets trade is... ugh. Just ewww. We have hopes Texier will be really good, and Gavrikov is simply someone we don't want to give up at all, and we can't afford to lose that many high picks. With a sufficiently good player any one or two of those can be overcome, but the combination of all three together for a single player is just a little too steep, even if it's a player we would really welcome having.

...That would be my response if you were offering us Tomas Hertl. Couture? At his age and with that contract? Get the hell out of here with that garbage.
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5 juin 2020 à 10 h 26
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Quoting: dzmets
I think if those guys know it's going to be a multi year rebuild they will waive to go somewhere that they think they can be competitive. Guys waive NMC and NTC all the time. In fact every TBL fan on this site has assured me that ever player on their team is going to waive their NMC to go elsewhere this offseason so they can keep their RFA's


Well you know Tampa fans are just dreaming....as are you. Players waive their NTC/NMC in their last years of their contracts to go to another team. You've traded players to some non competitive teams and also with teams long term cap issues. It seems to be a California tradition, overpay and "over term" on their last contracts.
5 juin 2020 à 10 h 32
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you're joking right? rebuilding team giving up one of the most skilled players on the roster at 21 years old, and a 1st rounder in a stacked 1st round for an aging Karlsson? NJ declines this trade so fast


You are looking at a pick that most likely will be between 15 and 20 in the draft. Obviously if Vancouver goes out in the first round and there are a lot of other upsets and that pick bumps up to around 10 it has much greater value. Maybe NJ is too far away from competing to consider a move for winning now but it seems like that's what they were trying to do with Subban. Karlsson is still on pace for 60 points per year he will have roughly 9 months off before he plays hockey again to get in better health than he has been in years. The last 3 years of the deal may hurt a bit but this is a huge upgrade on the backend for NJ in the next few years
5 juin 2020 à 11 h 13
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Couture would be a great 2nd line center if he were making 6 mil and only getting paid for 3-4 season, but it’s 8 mil for 6 seasons. Columbus is also one of the youngest teams in the league and they seem to be committed to developing the younger players right now. We also have a pretty low prospect pool and trading more picks and young NHL players is a very bad idea.

From the Columbus side we also can’t afford the cap hit unless we make other moves and with losing 3 roster players and filling with 1 roster player we have to replace 2 other players already let alone what other moves we have to make to get out cap room into position to keep PLD.
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5 juin 2020 à 11 h 49
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Yeah on what planet would Erik Karlsson waive his NMC for New Jersey? Yeah that's so not happening. And they're surely not eating $2.5 million over the next 6 years or so either. And Detroit has no use for Martin Jones he doesn't fit our rebuild. Would rather have Lehner or Holtby personally.


I am not sure why Detroit would not want to take on a couple of bad contracts in exchange for draft picks/prospects. You could use Jones as a backup for the next couple of years. If he has an unlikely bounce back then maybe you keep him or move him. If he continues on his downward trend then buy him out in two years and you have gained an asset to help in your rebuild. Not sure how a move like this hurts Detroit.
5 juin 2020 à 12 h 25
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I am not sure why Detroit would not want to take on a couple of bad contracts in exchange for draft picks/prospects. You could use Jones as a backup for the next couple of years. If he has an unlikely bounce back then maybe you keep him or move him. If he continues on his downward trend then buy him out in two years and you have gained an asset to help in your rebuild. Not sure how a move like this hurts Detroit.

Detroit has been suffering under several bad contracts for years now and are finally getting out from under a few of them this offseason; there's no appetite for taking on more.
5 juin 2020 à 13 h 4
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Quoting: Viqsi
Detroit has been suffering under several bad contracts for years now and are finally getting out from under a few of them this offseason; there's no appetite for taking on more.


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Detroit has been suffering under several bad contracts for years now and are finally getting out from under a few of them this offseason; there's no appetite for taking on more.


I still think they should be open too it. They are going to have more cap then they will be able to use in the next couple of years. If you buy out Jones contract after 2021-2022 season it is not a huge burden after that. Also they should be open to 2-3 of these type moves. I agree that Jones contract is probably more term then they would want to take on, but that is the price you pay to use your cap space to acquire assets to help accelerate your rebuild
5 juin 2020 à 15 h 11
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Quoting: dzmets
Perhaps change Valimaki to Kylington in the Calgary deal to get it done and add a cheap 4th line player headed to the Flames to help out. I think Kanes contract is fair value and when you consider Edmonton is only adding 1.25 million to their cap with Neal moving out I think this is a big win for them. I don't think Vlasic has negative value. Maybe would not get a large return and perhaps you have to retain 1 to 1.5 on him, but he is definitely moveable to a team that thinks they can win a cup with in 2-3 years that needs a steady experienced left d


It's bad for the oilers in that neal's contract expires in 2023 while kane's expires in 2025
5 juin 2020 à 18 h 33
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It's bad for the oilers in that neal's contract expires in 2023 while kane's expires in 2025


Kane is still an effective player and would presumably give you good production through 2025. Kane is on a fair contract for his production while Neal is Vastly overpaid. I could see Kane easily scoring 30-35 goals per year playing with either Draisaitl or McDavid and also offering a solid 200 ft game with physicality. Think of a much more skilled Zach Kassian
5 juin 2020 à 19 h 15
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Quoting: dzmets
Kane is still an effective player and would presumably give you good production through 2025. Kane is on a fair contract for his production while Neal is Vastly overpaid. I could see Kane easily scoring 30-35 goals per year playing with either Draisaitl or McDavid and also offering a solid 200 ft game with physicality. Think of a much more skilled Zach Kassian


He also has a 3 team trade lis and I doubt edmonton would be on it
5 juin 2020 à 19 h 31
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He also has a 3 team trade lis and I doubt edmonton would be on it


I think he might relatively close to his home city and if it meant he would have to endure another rebuild if he stays in San Jose he might easily waive for a chance to play with 2 of the best players in the league
5 juin 2020 à 20 h 5
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I still think they should be open too it. They are going to have more cap then they will be able to use in the next couple of years. If you buy out Jones contract after 2021-2022 season it is not a huge burden after that. Also they should be open to 2-3 of these type moves. I agree that Jones contract is probably more term then they would want to take on, but that is the price you pay to use your cap space to acquire assets to help accelerate your rebuild

I'm no Wings fan, but I've gone through rebuilds, and generally when you've got that cap space it's preferable to spend it on free agent vets that will actually help you develop your prospects by eating minutes and teaching them good things that those vets can't do anymore (or could spot but never had the ability to take advantage of). Jones... doesn't even begin to qualify.
 
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