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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 4 juin 2020
Publié: 4 juin 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Merrill, Sandin and Claesson would battle out the 3LD spot. Its not sure thing Sandin starts this year as regular. Same goes for Robertson. Thats why I prepared for possibility of him flopping by keeping the depth with Engvall who would be alternating with Barabanov for first 9 games when Robertson gets his shot at regular spot in the lineup. Not sure he would be successful. And even Barabanov can flop big time, so I have other options with Dahlen (who is going to sweden for one more year, but can be brought back to Toronto if needed. I have many possibilities in place if one or two players flop to live up to NHL standards.
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4 juin 2020 à 6 h 48
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Thanks for the shout out.

A much better balanced team, but Myers will never come for 2.25mil. His value is probably same as Sanheim's a year ago (3.25 for 3 years) or TB's Cernak, probably 3.5 or more. Which immediately kills your depth, so another move might have to be made. (Kerfoot?)

And personally, I dislike that third line, its all offense, not enough two way play or grit. I'd be tempted to play Laughton there, who can play LW or C, add 30+ pts and PK. Also, I'd be very hesitant on Lehtonen on 2nd pair and even more hesitant to have him and Claesson on 3rd pair. Maybe a solid vet for 1mil or so. Maybe Sandin or Liljegren with Muzzin on 2nd pair and Holl/Lehtonen on 3rd?

Nice lineup, but needs a bit more cap space to work IMO
4 juin 2020 à 6 h 59
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Sandin >>>>>> Claesson and Merrill. Good lineup tho. I’d like it.
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 2
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Quoting: Hammerwise
Thanks for the shout out.

A much better balanced team, but Myers will never come for 2.25mil. His value is probably same as Sanheim's a year ago (3.25 for 3 years) or TB's Cernak, probably 3.5 or more. Which immediately kills your depth, so another move might have to be made. (Kerfoot?)

And personally, I dislike that third line, its all offense, not enough two way play or grit. I'd be tempted to play Laughton there, who can play LW or C, add 30+ pts and PK. Also, I'd be very hesitant on Lehtonen on 2nd pair and even more hesitant to have him and Claesson on 3rd pair. Maybe a solid vet for 1mil or so. Maybe Sandin or Liljegren with Muzzin on 2nd pair and Holl/Lehtonen on 3rd?

Nice lineup, but needs a bit more cap space to work IMO


Or just lesser AAV for Mikheyev and one less player in stands would allow that 3-3.5 range for Myers and Leafs would still have 2 scratches.

That third line is very well balanced. Mikheyev, Barabanov and Kerfoot are all solid defensive players. Mikheyev and Kerfoot especially.

Lehtonen works nicely with Muzzin. If he flops, just move up Holl to pair 2 which worked before or move up Liljegren to that 2nd pair role and have Lehtonen at 3LD or even Sandin for that matter if Lehtonen flops that much.

Cap space is there tbh.
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 3
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Sandin >>>>>> Claesson and Merrill. Good lineup tho. I’d like it.


Not so fast.. Sandin played in NHL last year just because Muzzin and Rielly both gone injured so I wouldnt put him to 3LD spot permanently just yet. He would probably win that battle for 3LD spot out of camp, but its not a sure thing.
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4 juin 2020 à 7 h 3
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I find it hard to see a way where Leafs move Dermott and Sandin doesn't play. Hes gonna have a whole offseason (I think?) to keep getting better and stronger. I think its reasonable to expect him to be a top 4 guy by the end of the season
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 7
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I find it hard to see a way where Leafs move Dermott and Sandin doesn't play. Hes gonna have a whole offseason (I think?) to keep getting better and stronger. I think its reasonable to expect him to be a top 4 guy by the end of the season


Sandin a top-4 guy by end of season? Nah. He still has a **** load to develop to be a top-4 guy. But he has potential to be a longterm two-way Duncan Keith like top pairing D soon.
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 9
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Sandin a top-4 guy by end of season? Nah. He still has a **** load to develop to be a top-4 guy. But he has potential to be a longterm two-way Duncan Keith like top pairing D soon.


I think a full season will really do wonders, we see young guys take a big step all the time and really believe Sandin has the skillset. He didn't really look out of place in his games this season (anymore out of place than all the Leafs dmen) and if he can play the right side, him and Muzz could be a lethal 2nd pairing come playoffs 2021
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 14
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I think a full season will really do wonders, we see young guys take a big step all the time and really believe Sandin has the skillset. He didn't really look out of place in his games this season (anymore out of place than all the Leafs dmen) and if he can play the right side, him and Muzz could be a lethal 2nd pairing come playoffs 2021


He dipped hard towards the end of season tho. He was held out of games and replaced by Marincin. There is a lot of growth left. I think you would see Sandin on 3LD until at least when Riellys contract is up, when we would see what the situation is up to. I think we would see Liljegren in top-4 role before Sandin.
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 18
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He dipped hard towards the end of season tho. He was held out of games and replaced by Marincin. There is a lot of growth left. I think you would see Sandin on 3LD until at least when Riellys contract is up, when we would see what the situation is up to. I think we would see Liljegren in top-4 role before Sandin.


You don't think the Leafs are going to re-sign Rielly when the time comes?
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 19
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You don't think the Leafs are going to re-sign Rielly when the time comes?


Nah. And not because of the possible sum he would ask for.
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Nah. And not because of the possible sum he would ask for.


Why then? Players like Rielly don't grow on trees
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 29
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Why then? Players like Rielly don't grow on trees


Of course he is special offensive D, but when you look at overall structure of what Dubas wants in defense (in Soo, with Marlies and what he builds now) Rielly doesnt fit that mold of D that he really likes. He likes two-way defensemen A LOT. Rielly is offensive juggernaut and one of the best play-drivers offensively but defensively he just barely does something well.. always caught out of position.. and to pay 9-10 million dollars for a D that needs defensive partner and is not good defensively on his own is not something Kyle wants. Take Rielly and Shea Theodore for example. Who you think would Kyle want? My answer is Theodore because he is very good defensively as well as offensively.
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 30
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Love adding Myers and I think salary might be about right when considering games played.

Claesson and Merrill wont be needed, we have our own depth guys that can cut it.
Sandin I feel will be on team at 3rd pair LD.

I'd leave Muzzin and Holl together as long as they are effective.

I think your high on money to Mikheyev, should get same deal as Engvall and I feel dont sign Clifford because I like Engvall more.
4 juin 2020 à 7 h 48
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Of course he is special offensive D, but when you look at overall structure of what Dubas wants in defense (in Soo, with Marlies and what he builds now) Rielly doesnt fit that mold of D that he really likes. He likes two-way defensemen A LOT. Rielly is offensive juggernaut and one of the best play-drivers offensively but defensively he just barely does something well.. always caught out of position.. and to pay 9-10 million dollars for a D that needs defensive partner and is not good defensively on his own is not something Kyle wants. Take Rielly and Shea Theodore for example. Who you think would Kyle want? My answer is Theodore because he is very good defensively as well as offensively.


I don't think Rielly is horrible defensively to the point where the negatives outweight his offense. In a perfect world, Leafs would want a dman with as much offensive talent thats also good defensively, but we don't have that. I dont think Rielly will earn that much especially if its a long term deal. With the right partner, I think he can be much better defensively. Considering he played the better part of this season with a pylon in Ceci, its hard to say. Hoping they can get him a conscience to play on his right side
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4 juin 2020 à 7 h 58
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As much as Coyotes would like Johnsson to improve offense, they can not afford him right now, with all the UFA and RFA's and limited cap they have presently.
4 juin 2020 à 10 h 18
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He dipped hard towards the end of season tho. He was held out of games and replaced by Marincin. There is a lot of growth left. I think you would see Sandin on 3LD until at least when Riellys contract is up, when we would see what the situation is up to. I think we would see Liljegren in top-4 role before Sandin.


What Sandin can do will earn him more playing time. Keefe doesn't care about what hand a player shoots like Babs did. Sandin will get better and move up the lineup. He's not a big big guy but his puck skills are incredibly and his vision is next level. Give him a little time to fill out and I think he'll be 5'10 and 190 and be really good in the top 4.
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4 juin 2020 à 10 h 20
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I don't think Rielly is horrible defensively to the point where the negatives outweight his offense. In a perfect world, Leafs would want a dman with as much offensive talent thats also good defensively, but we don't have that. I dont think Rielly will earn that much especially if its a long term deal. With the right partner, I think he can be much better defensively. Considering he played the better part of this season with a pylon in Ceci, its hard to say. Hoping they can get him a conscience to play on his right side


Rielly is actually much better defensively than people say. He had a tough season when he was hurt but he's definitely an elite defenceman. Give him a partner that doesn't suck and a system that actually has a 5 man defensive unit in their zone (Keefe has that) and he'll be a Norris contender. The people who bash him on here are just out to lunch.
4 juin 2020 à 10 h 25
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Of course he is special offensive D, but when you look at overall structure of what Dubas wants in defense (in Soo, with Marlies and what he builds now) Rielly doesnt fit that mold of D that he really likes. He likes two-way defensemen A LOT. Rielly is offensive juggernaut and one of the best play-drivers offensively but defensively he just barely does something well.. always caught out of position.. and to pay 9-10 million dollars for a D that needs defensive partner and is not good defensively on his own is not something Kyle wants. Take Rielly and Shea Theodore for example. Who you think would Kyle want? My answer is Theodore because he is very good defensively as well as offensively.


That is insanity my friend. Rielly has never had a good partner. Hainsey was terrible and Bab's system always left the slot open, it was often the forwards not rotating on defence that exposed the Leafs under Babs. Time and time again Rielly would move to the corner to defend (which was what he was supposed to do) and then the opposition would just cycle it back to the slot where no one was standing. Or when there was a turnover, Hainsey just couldn't do anything and Rielly gets the blame. He's not the best defensively but he's certainly not bad. He's very good and in a system like Keefe has, he's deadly. Carries the buck better than almost anyone and can get back in a hurry with his skating. Give him a guy like Myers and it could be one of the best pairs in the game.
4 juin 2020 à 10 h 48
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As much as Coyotes would like Johnsson to improve offense, they can not afford him right now, with all the UFA and RFA's and limited cap they have presently.


Dont sign Hall.
4 juin 2020 à 11 h 1
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Dont sign Hall.


Coyotes have 80 million tied up in 16 players right now, without Hall. Once Hossa goes on LTIR they save 5 million more but they have 5 players minimum to sign to get a 20 man roster and only 6.5 million to do so. They also have several RFA's to sign.
4 juin 2020 à 13 h 12
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Coyotes have 80 million tied up in 16 players right now, without Hall. Once Hossa goes on LTIR they save 5 million more but they have 5 players minimum to sign to get a 20 man roster and only 6.5 million to do so. They also have several RFA's to sign.


One of those D man need to be traded.
I definitely think they overpaid a FW or 2.
 
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