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Assuming no CBOs and cap will remain at 81.5 million short term.

Because players need to protected etc...
Little change as possible makes sense so Dubas give Keefe another shot this group.

Dermott to sign extension, 3.03 million AAV for 5 years.
Similar to Petterrsson signing in Pittsburgh.

Rasanen can be changed to 5th rounder in Oiler trade.

Bracco rights traded to any team really.


The D pairings, I think this where things will start for 2020-2021 and I believe Lehtonen will show he is good enough, not elite, to play with Rielly.
2021-22 is when the. Leafs will add to the D I think.... likely via Kapanen trade.

Clifford might get brought back too but I feel it would via tryout.
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3 juin 2020 à 14 h 10
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Well there seems to be a 2-3 year plan here, but you haven't touched on the goaltending.

For my thoughts, I suspect Hyman maybe let go and we will see Kappy play the offwing until Robertson is ready to step into, what should be, a top 6 roll.

But I am curious on your thoughts regarding the net after next season.
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Oilers decline, they aren't interested in taking Johnsson's cap hit.
3 juin 2020 à 14 h 33
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Well there seems to be a 2-3 year plan here, but you haven't touched on the goaltending.

For my thoughts, I suspect Hyman maybe let go and we will see Kappy play the offwing until Robertson is ready to step into, what should be, a top 6 roll.

But I am curious on your thoughts regarding the net after next season.


Goaltending is big question mark.
If Freddy has a good playoff performance, he might get extended.

If he doesnt, they will wait till he is up to address it.
I would have loved if Andersen got moved now and we added a young goalie now to go the tandem route.

Do you like going tandem for the future OR want to acquire another starting job goalie?

Hyman, he will become a luxury that cant be afforded if cap remains the same.

Kapanen, he will be traded in the next summer I think for D help.

Robertson, I dont think he will be NHL ready and will play in Eurpoe.

Pool party, i think he would play in Eurpoe another year and returns to NHL and takes over Kapanen's spot.


I am hoping Engvall can transition to #3 C and we trade Kerfoot, might be 2022-22 before that happens.
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Goaltending is the biggest question mark since this team is designed for a year or two later. I do think depending on what they do with the D will also matter what happens with goaltending.

Obviously, adding an expensive RHD will limit what Dubas can do with goaltending. Some of the mentioned forwards will be moved for little to zero cap coming back.
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3 juin 2020 à 15 h 38
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Goaltending is big question mark.
If Freddy has a good playoff performance, he might get extended.

If he doesnt, they will wait till he is up to address it.
I would have loved if Andersen got moved now and we added a young goalie now to go the tandem route.

Do you like going tandem for the future OR want to acquire another starting job goalie?

Hyman, he will become a luxury that cant be afforded if cap remains the same.

Kapanen, he will be traded in the next summer I think for D help.

Robertson, I dont think he will be NHL ready and will play in Eurpoe.

Pool party, i think he would play in Eurpoe another year and returns to NHL and takes over Kapanen's spot.


I am hoping Engvall can transition to #3 C and we trade Kerfoot, might be 2022-22 before that happens.


Seems going the tandem route is far more ecomonical, but that can also be debatable.

A lot is in flux due to the flat cap. So many directions .......
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Seems going the tandem route is far more ecomonical, but that can also be debatable.

A lot is in flux due to the flat cap. So many directions .......


Agreed.
What is your poison? Lots of moves and changes or fewer?
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3 juin 2020 à 16 h 12
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Goaltending is by far the biggest issue but Rielly is easily a close 2nd.

There arent a ton of great goalie options next season but there are quite a few good ones this year (Markstrom, Lehner, Murray). Signing one of them is the best option because they are better or younger and they can get some assets for Freddie so that's an added bonus to move him. Any time you can get an upgrade on a player and additionally get assets for the weaker one you should be doing that all day.

I dont really see rielly in their long term plans with him being 28 by the time his contract is up, injury history and next contract. Like I said he'll be 28, his best attribute is his skating. We know that starts to drop off as you age and hes also had multiple high ankle sprains and a foot injury. If they dont plan on resigning him they should move him for assets while they still can. The Josi contract is a comparable for him but he isnt worth that at all.

With Sandin, Muzzin and Dermott will be on the LS unless he or dermott moves over but their best chance is to let him play half next season in easy minutes and let him rack up PP points so they can move him for a giant return.

The leafs havent ever been able to find a partner for rielly so unless they can they should just move him. Muzzin, Dermott Sandin and Lehtonen as a 7th d (instead of Gauthier playering so Leht can run the PP) is still a very good left side and they can run
Holl (with muzzin where he's been very good), whoever they get for Rielly (parayko or someone like that) and liljegren on the 3rd pair is also an extremely good right side. I assume Lehtonen will be good on the pp but sandin is also capable.

Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Parayko/Ekblad/?
Sandin-Liljegren
Lehtonen
Playing infront of a goalie who is at least average and a backup who isnt Hutchinson is very very good
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Goaltending is by far the biggest issue but Rielly is easily a close 2nd.

There arent a ton of great goalie options next season but there are quite a few good ones this year (Markstrom, Lehner, Murray). Signing one of them is the best option because they are better or younger and they can get some assets for Freddie so that's an added bonus to move him. Any time you can get an upgrade on a player and additionally get assets for the weaker one you should be doing that all day.

I dont really see rielly in their long term plans with him being 28 by the time his contract is up, injury history and next contract. Like I said he'll be 28, his best attribute is his skating. We know that starts to drop off as you age and hes also had multiple high ankle sprains and a foot injury. If they dont plan on resigning him they should move him for assets while they still can. The Josi contract is a comparable for him but he isnt worth that at all.

With Sandin, Muzzin and Dermott will be on the LS unless he or dermott moves over but their best chance is to let him play half next season in easy minutes and let him rack up PP points so they can move him for a giant return.

The leafs havent ever been able to find a partner for rielly so unless they can they should just move him. Muzzin, Dermott Sandin and Lehtonen as a 7th d (instead of Gauthier playering so Leht can run the PP) is still a very good left side and they can run
Holl (with muzzin where he's been very good), whoever they get for Rielly (parayko or someone like that) and liljegren on the 3rd pair is also an extremely good right side. I assume Lehtonen will be good on the pp but sandin is also capable.

Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Parayko/Ekblad/?
Sandin-Liljegren
Lehtonen
Playing infront of a goalie who is at least average and a backup who isnt Hutchinson is very very good


Markstrom is 30.
Lehner is a bit younger.
Murray while younger but has had some injury issues that should give pause.

I think right now wait and see will be approach on goaltending.

Rielly, you make a good point that skating is his biggest strength and it is likely to fade with age, I dont think he is at the point of the Josi extension yet.

This is why I think Sandin and Dermott are staying.
Even Muzzin, while defensively solid he is gonna get older not be even middle D for too long.

Leafs are to contend now so moving Rielly I dont see happening unless it is the right offer.

I think Campbell will be good enough backup.
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I was thinking with a d core I proposed in my last post on here they wouldnt even need a good goalie. If they were to trade Rielly for a D man they would be far better defensively creating a better defensive system so they could go after a goalie like talbot or Ullmark who would be able to thrive playing relatively easy minutes
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Markstrom is 30.
Lehner is a bit younger.
Murray while younger but has had some injury issues that should give pause.

I think right now wait and see will be approach on goaltending.

Rielly, you make a good point that skating is his biggest strength and it is likely to fade with age, I dont think he is at the point of the Josi extension yet.

This is why I think Sandin and Dermott are staying.
Even Muzzin, while defensively solid he is gonna get older not be even middle D for too long.

Leafs are to contend now so moving Rielly I dont see happening unless it is the right offer.

I think Campbell will be good enough backup.


I just made another post on this thread about not even needing a high end goalie if they were able to improve their defensive situation by replacing rielly with parayko, pesce or ekblad. Ekblad makes a ton of sense because Florida needs to cut salary and they have Weegar who has been very good. Very soon dermott or sandin will be able to play on the top pair if they are with one of the defenseman I just mentioned so the leafs wouldnt need to rely on Muzzin and holl as a top pairing for very long even though the were very good together this season. Campbell is an excellent backup but I'd even trust him to play ~40 games if they were able to sign another guy like Talbot who has proven he can thrive in an easy situation
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I dont really see rielly in their long term plans with him being 28 by the time his contract is up, injury history and next contract. Like I said he'll be 28, his best attribute is his skating. We know that starts to drop off as you age and hes also had multiple high ankle sprains and a foot injury. If they dont plan on resigning him they should move him for assets while they still can. The Josi contract is a comparable for him but he isnt worth that at all.


A Rielly trade would be very tricky especially if the Leafs do win a round or two. Getting fair value for him will become even more difficult after having some playoff success vs none atm.
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Agreed.
What is your poison? Lots of moves and changes or fewer?


I am opinion of staying the course. Johnsson is gonna go (or should), but I think people are making a lot tondo about nothing with the blueline. Injuries highlighted a lack of organizational depth, which Lehtonen helps with, as does Liligren's further development. Holl and Dermott did not look outnof place at all playing 18-19 minutes a game. Having them as your top 2 at RD may not be ideal, but I don't see them crashing and burning either.

The core of this team is good. Really effin' good. I am not about to blow up one of the best top 9's in the NHL so Reilly has a playmate.
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I kinda think the roster you posted is similar to the starting roster in October (or whenever)
I wouldn't worry about the potential UFAs in summer of 2021. UFAs come and go all the time, they will either be resigned or some other players will take their place.
Reilly, IMO it's nonsense that the the Leafs can't find a partner for him. Maybe if Reilly put forth so effort on defence instead of being so one dimensional and a PP specialist , Reilly could help his team even more.
Reilly IMO will leave as UFA in two years. Some team will over estimate his playing value and overpay . Leaf will spend that cap space on better value.
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I kinda think the roster you posted is similar to the starting roster in October (or whenever)
I wouldn't worry about the potential UFAs in summer of 2021. UFAs come and go all the time, they will either be resigned or some other players will take their place.
Reilly, IMO it's nonsense that the the Leafs can't find a partner for him. Maybe if Reilly put forth so effort on defence instead of being so one dimensional and a PP specialist , Reilly could help his team even more.
Reilly IMO will leave as UFA in two years. Some team will over estimate his playing value and overpay . Leaf will spend that cap space on better value.


In regards to Rielly, 100% with you
Been saying that all along.
5 juin 2020 à 15 h 17
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I am opinion of staying the course. Johnsson is gonna go (or should), but I think people are making a lot tondo about nothing with the blueline. Injuries highlighted a lack of organizational depth, which Lehtonen helps with, as does Liligren's further development. Holl and Dermott did not look outnof place at all playing 18-19 minutes a game. Having them as your top 2 at RD may not be ideal, but I don't see them crashing and burning either.

The core of this team is good. Really effin' good. I am not about to blow up one of the best top 9's in the NHL so Reilly has a playmate.


I think a Rielly and Lehtonen combo has good potential.
I feel Lehtonen will out perform Barrie easily.

I think Barrie was just bad fit even though he played say better under Keefe.
 
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