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PIT future moves predicted based on past GMJR trades

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Équipe: 2020-21 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 1 juin 2020
Publié: 2 juin 2020
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NYLANDER TRADE----}Based off Kessel deal.
-TOR trades a slightly misunderstood RW to PIT to shed cap.
-PIT trades Harrington(D)/Kapanen(RW)(better prospects), Harrington(4th line forward), 1st, 3rd to TOR for Kessel, 2nd---2015
-PIT trades Riikola(D)/Poulin(RW/LW)(top prospect/young D), Rodrigues(3rd line forward), 1st, 3rd to TOR for Nylander, 2nd---2020

JOHNSON TRADE----}Based on Gudbranson deal.
-PIT trades an overpaid 3rd pair D that everyone thinks has negative value to ANA without giving up anything. Enough said.

KEMP TRADE----}Based on Marino deal.
-PIT trades an extremely late pick to EDM for a college RH defenseman picked in that round. This D-man is at a school renowned for brains and is relatively unknown but will instantly make an impact.
-PIT trades 6th to EDM for Marino

OLEKSIAK TRADE----}Based on Oleksiak trades 1 and 2.
-Oleksiak traded from DAL/PIT for a 4th. Again.

BJUGSTAD/LAFFERTY TRADE----}Based on Brassard/Sheahan trade.
-PIT trades a #3C that didn't work out and a #4C to Florida for a different #3C/#4C to help the other team clear salary. PIT adds a few picks to upgrade their centre depth.

LEGARE TRADE----}Based on Spring trade.
-PIT trades young forward to ANA for young D.

Buyout Horny to make team cap compliant.

MURRAY TRADE----}Another Idea.
Both are 25 year old goalies. Peterson has only played 19 games in his career, and MM has 2 cups and LAK has the $$ to resign him. I like Roy so I threw him in as well. PIT gives up 1st(best pick) but gets some other lower picks to replenish the many traded away.
PIT may be giving up too much. Not sure about Peterson's value. Roy's value is about a 3rd I think.
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2 juin 2020 à 16 h 7
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-Most of the trades are based off past ones. Read description.
-The Murray idea is one I haven't seen before.
-The top-6 is stacked now and Johnson gives the 3rd line better offense.
-I'm not familiar with Kemp from EDM. I just needed a college D-man.
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Nylander>>>>>Kessel, TOR isn't rebuilding, and Nylander is younger than Kessel was (I would assume)

I like Kemp, ig I wouldn't complain about that trade

I don't see DAL taking Oleksiak now, but it would be hilarious

You severely underrate Roy, he's the best d man on the kings
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Kings pass... they “need” Roy and Peterson will be fine in net for the kings and he’s cheaper, for now
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Imo pretty much every deal gets declined. Why though?

TOR trade - Riikola's and Rodrigues' trade value is nonexistent due to the fact that PIT is not re-signing them. Therefore one can consider them as UFAs. Essentially that TOR trade becomes Poulin+1st+3rd for Nylander+2nd which is obviously will be declined. It's not like Pens would take a Liljegren+1st+3rd for Guentzel+2nd deal, right?

ANA trade(s) - Johnson is completely unnecessary for the Ducks. They're stacked with 3rd pair LHDs. That Mahura for Legare trade could work though.

DAL trade - as a DAL fan it would be hilarious having a 3rd Oleksiak for a 4th rounder trade. But frankly I think this time we'll be better off with just keeping him.

TB trade - I think Pens is the one who declines this. They're paying too much for a player TB should be looking to move. Johnson for 2nd should be enough. Imo Lafferty is better option than Stephens.

LA trade - Dunno what they need with Murray. LA isn't competitive in years, so acquiring a goalie shouldn't be in their interest. I mean, they just moved Campbell for this exact reason. Petersen and Roy are parts of their long-term plan. Also it's not wise asset management in any way to lose all first rounders for the next 3 years for PIT.
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Imo pretty much every deal gets declined. Why though?

TOR trade - Riikola's and Rodrigues' trade value is nonexistent due to the fact that PIT is not re-signing them. Therefore one can consider them as UFAs. Essentially that TOR trade becomes Poulin+1st+3rd for Nylander+2nd which is obviously will be declined. It's not like Pens would take a Liljegren+1st+3rd for Guentzel+2nd deal, right?

ANA trade(s) - Johnson is completely unnecessary for the Ducks. They're stacked with 3rd pair LHDs. That Mahura for Legare trade could work though.

DAL trade - as a DAL fan it would be hilarious having a 3rd Oleksiak for a 4th rounder trade. But frankly I think this time we'll be better off with just keeping him.

TB trade - I think Pens is the one who declines this. They're paying too much for a player TB should be looking to move. Johnson for 2nd should be enough. Imo Lafferty is better option than Stephens.

LA trade - Dunno what they need with Murray. LA isn't competitive in years, so acquiring a goalie shouldn't be in their interest. I mean, they just moved Campbell for this exact reason. Petersen and Roy are parts of their long-term plan. Also it's not wise asset management in any way to lose all first rounders for the next 3 years for PIT.


This was more a challenge to "replicate" past trades.
Agree on TBL trade, maybe sub verhagae or paquette?
I think PIT will resign both Riikola and Erod. either that or they will be throw ins for a bigger deal.
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Oleksiak will never wear a penguins uniform again. And that's a mutual thing between him and the team.
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Nylander>>>>>Kessel, TOR isn't rebuilding, and Nylander is younger than Kessel was (I would assume)

I like Kemp, ig I wouldn't complain about that trade

I don't see DAL taking Oleksiak now, but it would be hilarious

You severely underrate Roy, he's the best d man on the kings


-Doughty?
-I don't want Oleksiak, I just threw that in for lols.
-What would a Nylander trade look like? I don't want him either, but that was the theme of this post.
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This was more a challenge to "replicate" past trades.
Agree on TBL trade, maybe sub verhagae or paquette?
I think PIT will resign both Riikola and Erod. either that or they will be throw ins for a bigger deal.


After re-signing Murray, Jarry, McCann etc I don't think they can afford to sign them. At least for Rodrigues, his QO will get them over the cap, Riikola maybe, but he's probably heading to KHL.

As for TB trade, just keep Lafferty. Bjugstad(half retained)+2nd for Johnson will do just fine.
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Toronto - Possible as Toronto is in more need of cap space moving forward. As someone said, it is basically Poulin+1st+3rd for Nylander+2nd. I am fine with keeping Poulin though. Someone else said "Nylander>>>>>Kessel" which is one of the most wrong statements that I have seen on here not posted by a Chicago fan.

Anaheim - Johnson, no comment

Edmonton - Kemp, no comment

Dallas - Sullivan didn't like Oleksiak, and Sullivan is still here. No Oleksiak.

Tampa - Johnson makes far too much for far too long. Doesn't fit the situations that you relate it to, not going to happen.

Anaheim #2 - Sprong sucked. Literally everyone but the homer fans knew it. Legare has orders of magnitude more value than Sprong. No deal.

Hornqvist CBO - People keep saying Johnson, but I do think that Hornqvist is a strong candidate. However, if you were able to dump Johnson for a 7th, and didn't bring in the TB trade Johnson's horrible $5Mx4 contract, you can keep Hornqvist.

LA - Not giving up a 1st for Roy and Peterson, certainly not Murray's right and a 1st. Roy is about on par with Riikola or Ruhwedel. Peterson is grab bag level, below DeSmith on the dept chart. Murray and a 1st for them is insane.
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Kings pass... they “need” Roy and Peterson will be fine in net for the kings and he’s cheaper, for now


Yep King's on the rebuilt need those 2 young assets
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Toronto - Possible as Toronto is in more need of cap space moving forward. As someone said, it is basically Poulin+1st+3rd for Nylander+2nd. I am fine with keeping Poulin though. Someone else said "Nylander>>>>>Kessel" which is one of the most wrong statements that I have seen on here not posted by a Chicago fan.

Anaheim - Johnson, no comment

Edmonton - Kemp, no comment

Dallas - Sullivan didn't like Oleksiak, and Sullivan is still here. No Oleksiak.

Tampa - Johnson makes far too much for far too long. Doesn't fit the situations that you relate it to, not going to happen.

Anaheim #2 - Sprong sucked. Literally everyone but the homer fans knew it. Legare has orders of magnitude more value than Sprong. No deal.

Hornqvist CBO - People keep saying Johnson, but I do think that Hornqvist is a strong candidate. However, if you were able to dump Johnson for a 7th, and didn't bring in the TB trade Johnson's horrible $5Mx4 contract, you can keep Hornqvist.

LA - Not giving up a 1st for Roy and Peterson, certainly not Murray's right and a 1st. Roy is about on par with Riikola or Ruhwedel. Peterson is grab bag level, below DeSmith on the dept chart. Murray and a 1st for them is insane.


-Why is Johnson's (not jack) contract so bad? or he just overpaid by a mil? who from TB would you want to snag instead? they have to move someone(s).
-I don't want Oleksiak back...just thought it would be hilarious.
-I think Roy and Peterson are still young and can develop into more. they had pretty good numbers considering they're on a horrible team.
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-Why is Johnson's (not jack) contract so bad? or he just overpaid by a mil? who from TB would you want to snag instead? they have to move someone(s).


It's just a bad contract. For what he brings it is too much cap for too long. You want a 3C to be defensive and good at faceoffs. Johnson is neither. Hornqvist brings more for less, and a year less. Pens are at the cap so why help Tampa get under? Even if you took out all of the picks that you have the Pens sending, I still wouldn't do it because I wouldn't want the $5Mx4.
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It's just a bad contract. For what he brings it is too much cap for too long. You want a 3C to be defensive and good at faceoffs. Johnson is neither. Hornqvist brings more for less, and a year less. Pens are at the cap so why help Tampa get under? Even if you took out all of the picks that you have the Pens sending, I still wouldn't do it because I wouldn't want the $5Mx4.


very good points. that makes sense.
anyone on Tampa you'd be interested in?
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
-Most of the trades are based off past ones. Read description.
-The Murray idea is one I haven't seen before.
-The top-6 is stacked now and Johnson gives the 3rd line better offense.
-I'm not familiar with Kemp from EDM. I just needed a college D-man.


Pretty good team. I don’t think the Leafs do the trade cuz Nylander is coming off a career year so he brings excellent value. For me, he’s not misunderstood at all. Maybe last year, but this season, he’s played well & the fans & team love him. I feel Marner’s going to be the problem for them in the long term. Even if he elevates his play compared to this season they’ll never be happy with that contract.
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very good points. that makes sense.
anyone on Tampa you'd be interested in?


Why do you have a need to trade with Tampa?
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Pretty good team. I don’t think the Leafs do the trade cuz Nylander is coming off a career year so he brings excellent value. For me, he’s not misunderstood at all. Maybe last year, but this season, he’s played well & the fans & team love him. I feel Marner’s going to be the problem for them in the long term. Even if he elevates his play compared to this season they’ll never be happy with that contract.


Your take on TBL? they are gonna have serious cap probs. who would you want from TB?
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Why do you have a need to trade with Tampa?


They're the best team in the league on paper, and will have to move some guys this offseason to stay under the cap. They won't get top price on who they trade for that reason.
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Your take on TBL? they are gonna have serious cap probs. who would you want from TB?


I understand the thinking behind why GMJR might want to make this move, but Johnson is signed until he’s 33 which isn’t really ideal. Overall he shouldn’t cost too much so I feel the value is about right. I think guys like Johnson & gourde would’ve been a good fit with the Pens if they were younger. Excellent skaters with great skill.
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They're the best team in the league on paper, and will have to move some guys this offseason to stay under the cap. They won't get top price on who they trade for that reason.


Considering contracts and who they would actually be willing to trade... no one.
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-Doughty?
-I don't want Oleksiak, I just threw that in for lols.
-What would a Nylander trade look like? I don't want him either, but that was the theme of this post.


Doughty is their 3rd or 4th best d man

I don't think there's really a trade that could be worked out for Nylander, like it would cost around what it would cost to get Guentzel, and unless we give up a Letang Crosby Guentzel Marino or Geno, I don't really see a way Nylander could become a penguin
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Do ya really like kemp
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- I think Nylander would be a beast here too but prob isn't enough for him
- IMO, Murr's has more value than that BUT what he does in playoffs is going to determine alot about his value
- Altho I love Legare, I have watched Mahura since Jrs w/ Red Deer & Regina... & still dont get how he isn't getting full NHL time by now.... so I'm down
- I think T. Johnson is a good player but just dont like him... since Sid beat him up w/ 1 hand, lol
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Your take on TBL? they are gonna have serious cap probs. who would you want from TB?


I'd take Point ... I mean if we "had" to trade for a player off of TB, lol
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Do ya really like kemp


don't know anything about him. just needed an EDM college D. you know anything more?
 
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