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Créé par: Wqrrior
Équipe: 2020-21 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 2 juin 2020
Publié: 2 juin 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
trade Val at the TDL... trade Bura or Compher at the draft... seattle takes Donskoi
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RFAANSCAP HIT
64 950 000 $
47 000 000 $
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COL
  1. Mantha, Anthony [Droits de RFA]
DET
  1. Graves, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Kaut, Martin
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (COL)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (COL)
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ANA
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [Droits de RFA]
  2. Timmins, Conor
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (COL)
3.
COL
  1. Brown, Joshua [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (FLA)
FLA
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [Droits de RFA]
4.
WPG
  1. Jost, Tyson [Droits de RFA]
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2 juin 2020 à 1 h 10
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A common theme from a lot of Duck fans seems to be the lack of depth at centre. So, if Rackell is who ya want, you might have to throw them a Bowers.

Be interested to see what Duck fans think. It's a pretty solid package all in all.
2 juin 2020 à 1 h 13
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A common theme from a lot of Duck fans seems to be the lack of depth at centre. So, if Rackell is who ya want, you might have to throw them a Bowers.

Be interested to see what Duck fans think. It's a pretty solid package all in all.


i'm confused tho... they got a crap ton of center depth in terms of prospects/rookies...

Steel... Comtois... Terry (RW/C)... Lundestrom... Zegras...

They're very thin on RHD. I don't know how that wouldn't be the place they look to strengthen.
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2 juin 2020 à 1 h 13
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Mantha would be a great upgrade over Burakovsky, I think they could get him for more years at $7M. They'd wanna lock him up as long as possible cause he'd be DIRTY with this team
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2 juin 2020 à 1 h 20
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Quoting: swinny
A common theme from a lot of Duck fans seems to be the lack of depth at centre. So, if Rackell is who ya want, you might have to throw them a Bowers.

Be interested to see what Duck fans think. It's a pretty solid package all in all.


Quoting: Wqrrior
i'm confused tho... they got a crap ton of center depth in terms of prospects/rookies...

Steel... Comtois... Terry (RW/C)... Lundestrom... Zegras...

They're very thin on RHD. I don't know how that wouldn't be the place they look to strengthen.


Our centre depth has nothing to do with Rakell, he plays wing not C. As @Wqrrior says our centre depth is fine (Zegras, Steel, Lundestrom, BOG, Morand) (Comtois and Terry are most likely Wings in the NHL)

RD would 100% be the spot to improve if Rakell were to be moved, I would however take out Kamenev and make the pick a first either this year or next
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2 juin 2020 à 1 h 30
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Our centre depth has nothing to do with Rakell, he plays wing not C. As @Wqrrior says our centre depth is fine (Zegras, Steel, Lundestrom, BOG, Morand) (Comtois and Terry are most likely Wings in the NHL)

RD would 100% be the spot to improve if Rakell were to be moved, I would however take out Kamenev and make the pick a first either this year or next


I don't disagree - just throwing out what seems to be a common thread. Whether that's informed or not can be argued lol.
2 juin 2020 à 1 h 39
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Mantha would be a great upgrade over Burakovsky, I think they could get him for more years at $7M. They'd wanna lock him up as long as possible cause he'd be DIRTY with this team


Yeah he would be but Detroit isn't letting him go.
2 juin 2020 à 1 h 40
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Yeah he would be but Detroit isn't letting him go.


even if they overpaid?
2 juin 2020 à 1 h 46
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even if they overpaid?


Maybe but it would have to be big .
2 juin 2020 à 1 h 47
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Maybe but it would have to be big .


maybe if bowers was involved somehow? on top of graves, the pick and others
2 juin 2020 à 2 h 2
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maybe if bowers was involved somehow? on top of graves, the pick and others


Mantha is Detroit's best/most talented player so giving up a top prospect should shouldn't be out of the question.
2 juin 2020 à 2 h 4
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Mantha is Detroit's best/most talented player so giving up a top prospect should shouldn't be out of the question.


you view him as better than larkin? i'm surprised
2 juin 2020 à 2 h 19
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you view him as better than larkin? i'm surprised


Definitely more talented before he got hurt he was well over a point a game. Mantha is capable of putting up 50 goals in a season, not saying he will but if he did it wouldn't be that surprising. Larkin is very good, a true 200' player and he works his ass off he is the heart and soul of the team but putting up 50 goals I don't think he can. Larkin is more valuable to Detroit. If Mantha had Larkin's drive and work ethic he'd be f@#king scary.
2 juin 2020 à 4 h 14
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Yeah he would be but Detroit isn't letting him go.


Not for that return but theres not many immovable players in the league
2 juin 2020 à 5 h 59
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Detroit would rightfully ask for a higher-end prospect than Kaut if they were trading Mantha, particularly as the 1st is likely a late 1st and a year away. Think Newhook would need to be involved.

Anaheim would be delighted with Timmins as a young two-way RHD is their biggest need. They'd likely push for a late 1st to be included as well though instead of Kamenev + 2nd.

Overall I doubt Colorado would make BOTH of those trades because we don't need TWO top 6 forwards. Burakovsky has had a great season, pacing 28 goals and 64 points, and there's no reason to bump him down to the 3rd line.

The Zadorov for Brown + 2nd trade is interesting, because Brown is a serviceable No.6 who replaces some of the size and physicality Zadorov brings. That said, I think I'd prefer to acquire a piece with more upside than that. Konochonok + 3rd, or 2nd + McKeown from Carolina.

The Winnipeg trade would be a bad return on Jost. Vesalainen is Winnipeg's best forward prospect, but that says more about their weak forward depth than it does about him. Have a read in this HFBoards player discussion thread and you'll see that many Winnipeg fans think he should be traded because he's not performing well and doesn't look likely to be an impact player. Needless to say I think we can do better if we move Jost.

As for your roster:

- you're going to struggle to resign Makar/Grubauer/Landeskog with all 3 of Mantha/Burakovsky/Rakell on the team.
- The D pairs look out of order, as Cole/Brown would be the 3rd pairing.
- Moving all 3 of Graves, Zadorov, and Timmins in the same offseason would be risky as it would entail going into the season with one of Byram/Cole as the 2nd pairing LHD.
- Dries and Lindholm as the 13th forward and No.7 don't fill me with a tonne of encouragement. Ideally Brown would be the No.7 and someone like O'Connor is the 13th forward.
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2 juin 2020 à 11 h 3
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these are just unessary, do less. The Avs are a solid team and one of the best in the NHL, so you decide to move 5 current Roster player and a big cog in their future blue line?
then you want to move out another 3 guys to make room bc of all these moves

This is just messy long term roster building, honestly its a hot mess
2 juin 2020 à 14 h 45
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these are just unessary, do less. The Avs are a solid team and one of the best in the NHL, so you decide to move 5 current Roster player and a big cog in their future blue line?
then you want to move out another 3 guys to make room bc of all these moves

This is just messy long term roster building, honestly its a hot mess


i know it's not realistic. never said it was. team is better like this though. this top six... even top 9 is nasty and it would hold strong for a few years.

Won't happen, but it's something to think about how strong this team can be with a few moves.



That Rakell trade has been my main Avs trade for a while now... usually it's the only trade I involve the avs in now. What do you think of just having the one trade?
2 juin 2020 à 14 h 56
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i know it's not realistic. never said it was. team is better like this though. this top six... even top 9 is nasty and it would hold strong for a few years.

Won't happen, but it's something to think about how strong this team can be with a few moves.



That Rakell trade has been my main Avs trade for a while now... usually it's the only trade I involve the avs in now. What do you think of just having the one trade?


Rakell trade is just the one that makes sense, bc really you dont have to do much and Avs could be icing a Top 9 by the end of next season of

Landy Mack Rants
Bura Kadri Rakell
Compher Newhook Donskoi....with one of the wingers being picked up by Seattle (or Jost), then you have Kaut to slide into that spot.

Avs are kind of boring to do rosters with bc they are just so Systematically set it going forward, hard to mess with
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