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Getting Eichel

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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 31 mai 2020
Publié: 1 juin 2020
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Don't even try to say Eichel is worth more. Just don't.
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1 juin 2020 à 14 h 18
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Quoting: Smithcd995
Not slandering Matthews whatsoever. Simply stating facts. This isn't a who's team is better argument, it's not a copout at all.


i understad but the main point people use for eichel is that his teams worse so they make it a team vs team thing
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 18
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Yes it’s important. Matthews signed for 3 less years. Matthews could be leaving while Eichel is still hopefully playing in Buffalo for 2 more years.


well, only one of these players seems happy where they are so i wouldnt bank on that
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1 juin 2020 à 14 h 20
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i understad but the main point people use for eichel is that his teams worse so they make it a team vs team thing


I always laugh at this cause when Eichel had Skinner, who almost scored more goals than Matthews linemates had points, Matthews still outproduced Eichel.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 20
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Quoting: vr1995
i understad but the main point people use for eichel is that his teams worse so they make it a team vs team thing


They/we are saying, let Eichel play with Marner and then let Matthews play with Reinhart and then we can argue. You wouldn't take Reinhart over Marner in any universe.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 21
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I always laugh at this cause when Eichel had Skinner, who almost scored more goals than Matthews linemates had points, Matthews still outproduced Eichel.


Eichel was the main reason Skinner did that though. He gets taken away from him this year and has an awful year.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 22
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1.147 vs 1.142 lmao, keep on nit picking buddy


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1.147 vs 1.142 lmao, keep on nit picking buddy

I mean if they switched roles it’s obvious Eichel would do better.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 22
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Eichel was the main reason Skinner did that though. He gets taken away from him this year and has an awful year.


So Matthews would still be better cause he did it regardless of linemates. Eichel had a good winger in Skinner and he didn't have the impact Matthews did.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 24
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So Matthews would still be better cause he did it regardless of linemates. Eichel had a good winger in Skinner and he didn't have the impact Matthews did.


Because Matthews played with total bums right.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 25
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Eichel played two less games had a higher ppg. And is one of the worst teams in the league.. plus he often gets doubled team when he gets the puck.


Matthews had 11 more goals and did it with less ice time at both even strength and on the power play. And the difference in PPG was 1.147 to 1.143
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 26
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Because Matthews played with total bums right.


Are you saying guys like Kapanen and Marleau are better than Skinner? Leafs fans need to start asking for more for Kapanen if so.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 26
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I mean if they switched roles it’s obvious Eichel would do better.


no it isnt, obviously Matthews would do better.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 27
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Eichel and Jokiharju are. Also Toronto is the last place they would trade him
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 27
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They/we are saying, let Eichel play with Marner and then let Matthews play with Reinhart and then we can argue. You wouldn't take Reinhart over Marner in any universe.


no i wouldnt, but reinhart isnt bad by any means? who would you rather have kapanen? or reinhart?
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 28
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I'm completely impartial since I don't have any ties to either team whatsoever. (in other words I'm not picking sides or biased)

If both Matthews and Eichel are magically available today for the picking, as-is, no other factors but their own abilities and contracts: I'm picking Eichel hands down and it's not even close.

The $1.634M savings, the signing bonus structure, the two extra years.....these are not small things. Debate the talent H2H all you want but that will always be subjective. These other factors I mentioned are not subjective. Easy decision.
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1 juin 2020 à 14 h 30
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no it isnt, obviously Matthews would do better.


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Are you saying guys like Kapanen and Marleau are better than Skinner? Leafs fans need to start asking for more for Kapanen if so.

Eichel didn’t play with Skinner this year, only in the last two games.
Eichel has played with Folgnio, Moulson, Cal O’Reilly, Jordan Nolan, Zemgus Girgenson. Sure he has had some good players like Reinhart, Olofsson and with Skinner in 18-19. But he’s definitely been put into a horrible situation, compared to Matthews.
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no it isnt, obviously Matthews would do better.


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Are you saying guys like Kapanen and Marleau are better than Skinner? Leafs fans need to start asking for more for Kapanen if so.

Eichel didn’t play with Skinner this year, only in the last two games.
Eichel has played with Folgnio, Moulson, Cal O’Reilly, Jordan Nolan, Zemgus Girgenson. Sure he has had some good players like Reinhart, Olofsson and with Skinner in 18-19. But he’s definitely been put into a horrible situation, compared to Matthews.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 30
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I'm completely impartial since I don't have any ties to either team whatsoever. (in other words I'm not picking sides or biased)

If both Matthews and Eichel are magically available today for the picking, as-is, no other factors but their own abilities and contracts: I'm picking Eichel hands down and it's not even close.

The $1.634M savings, the signing bonus structure, the two extra years.....these are not small things. Debate the talent H2H all you want but that will always be subjective. These other factors I mentioned are not subjective. Easy decision.


yes, non-leafs fans are notoriously impartial to the Leafs, it is true. I 100% believe you in your impartial and totally unbiased deductions with the zero facts you presented about which player is actually better
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1 juin 2020 à 14 h 31
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Eichel didn’t play with Skinner this year, only in the last two games.
Eichel has played with Folgnio, Moulson, Cal O’Reilly, Jordan Nolan, Zemgus Girgenson. Sure he has had some good players like Reinhart, Olofsson and with Skinner in 18-19. But he’s definitely been put into a horrible situation, compared to Matthews.


let me put it this way. You have zero proof that Eichel would do better in Matthews situation. Zero. You are assuming based off things like team while ignoring that Mathews IS the driver on that bus, and he is not only a better scorer but he's also better defensively, and younger.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 43
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yes, non-leafs fans are notoriously impartial to the Leafs, it is true. I 100% believe you in your impartial and totally unbiased deductions with the zero facts you presented about which player is actually better


The leafs are taking up tons of real estate in their own fans head. Didn't even know that was possible. Nobody cares about the leafs as much as you think man. They haven't won anything in most of the populations lifetime to garner that sort of attention. Maybe Pittsburgh.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 46
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The leafs are taking up tons of real estate in their own fans head. Didn't even know that was possible. Nobody cares about the leafs as much as you think man. They haven't won anything in most of the populations lifetime to garner that sort of attention. Maybe Pittsburgh.


exactly which is the funny part, leafs havent done anything but they manage to have rent free real estate in evreyones head
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 48
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exactly which is the funny part, leafs havent done anything but they manage to have rent free real estate in evreyones head


They really don't, ya'll are in your own head.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 49
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They really don't, ya'll are in your own head.


yuuuuuppppppp
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 53
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yuuuuuppppppp


Every non sabre or leaf fan that commented here said Eichel is more valuable and ya'll pull out the "Everyone hates the leafs" card. Like what? NFL fans don't say the Cowboys suck because they're the Cowboys or the Yankees because they're the Yankees or the Lakers because they're the Lakers. But all NHL fans do for the Leafs apparently.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 53
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The leafs are taking up tons of real estate in their own fans head. Didn't even know that was possible. Nobody cares about the leafs as much as you think man. They haven't won anything in most of the populations lifetime to garner that sort of attention. Maybe Pittsburgh.


yes, that is why leaf trade threads are always full of non-leafs fans talking about how the other team is getting ripped off, why every tweet or article about the leafs is followed by mass streams of other fans wondering loudly and angrily why the leafs are always being talked about.
And it's exactly why you, an 'impartial' fan came here to say something about the leafs.
It's always about the leafs my dude, we know it, you know it.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 54
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Every non sabre or leaf fan that commented here said Eichel is more valuable and ya'll pull out the "Everyone hates the leafs" card. Like what? NFL fans don't say the Cowboys suck because they're the Cowboys or the Yankees because they're the Yankees or the Lakers because they're the Lakers. But all NHL fans do for the Leafs apparently.


yes, they do. thanks for acknowledging it.
 
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