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RANGER FANS - Jesper Fast Discussion

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Équipe: 2020-21 Rangers de New York
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Publié: 1 juin 2020
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I really want to extend him...thoughts on if we should? or can? or both? or neither?
Put together something in which he could fit
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1 juin 2020 à 13 h 16
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$201 cap space lol
1 juin 2020 à 13 h 17
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Right pricepoint, wrong term. I think it hinges on how he feels his role in New York is going to play out with Kaapo expected to become a top-six winger and both Gauthier and Kravtsov needing roles in the top-nine. I think it's pretty contingent on how well he expects the Rangers to perform over the course of something like a three-year deal: is he fine with spending the first year being on a tweener team before getting a chance at the playoffs or would he rather collect pay elsewhere to win now?

What's most likely is that Fast ends up elsewhere due to the Rangers not having the cash to keep him. Deangelo is going to cost north of what you've offered him regardless of term, and next year's RFA class is going to take a chunk out of whatever cap space is feed up by Staal walking and the Shattenkirk buyout evaporating.

Pretty expensive ask from the Flames for Georgiev. I think you get either the 2nd Rounder or Kylington, not both.
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1 juin 2020 à 13 h 18
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Rangers can't afford to keep all their RFA's let alone keeping Fast. He and Strome are Cap Casualties. Both gone.
1 juin 2020 à 13 h 19
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You have Kakko/Kravtsov/Gauthier who all need top 9 minutes in order to develop.

Quinn's not going to play Fast on the 4th line if he's on the roster. So as much as I/everyone loves Fast, if you want to develop your high ceiling RW's you have to let Fast go. If you want a solid RW who can do what Fast does on the 4th line, Stefan Noesen will cost about a third of what Fast will.
1 juin 2020 à 13 h 21
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Problem is that our RW lineup for next year could look like this: Kakko, Buchnevich, Kravtsov and Gautthier

We need help at LW, because I'm not sure Lemieux and Di Giuseppe can be our 3LW and 4LW all season long.

Maybe you play Kravstov at LW so Fast can be 3RW but then again Quinn might play Fast above Kakko...

It's a complicated issue
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1 juin 2020 à 13 h 23
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Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
Rangers can't afford to keep all their RFA's let alone keeping Fast. He and Strome are Cap Casualties. Both gone.


New photo! Looks dope man 👌
1 juin 2020 à 13 h 24
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You have Kakko/Kravtsov/Gauthier who all need top 9 minutes in order to develop.

Quinn's not going to play Fast on the 4th line if he's on the roster. So as much as I/everyone loves Fast, if you want to develop your high ceiling RW's you have to let Fast go. If you want a solid RW who can do what Fast does on the 4th line, Stefan Noesen will cost about a third of what Fast will.


Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Kreids-Zib-Buch
???-Strome?-Kravstov
Lemieux-defensiv 4C(Nosek, Larsson, Girgensons?)-Goat
1 juin 2020 à 13 h 49
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Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Kreids-Zib-Buch
???-Strome?-Kravstov
Lemieux-defensiv 4C(Nosek, Larsson, Girgensons?)-Goat


Bread - Chytil = Kakko
KZB
Kravtsov - 3C - Gauthier
Lemieux - Lias - RW

Most likely use Strome to get a 3C and sign a cheap UFA 4th liner.
1 juin 2020 à 13 h 55
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Bread - Chytil = Kakko
KZB
Kravtsov - 3C - Gauthier
Lemieux - Lias - RW

Most likely use Strome to get a 3C and sign a cheap UFA 4th liner.


I worry about depth tho... what if Bread gets injured for a month?
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 2
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I worry about depth tho... what if Bread gets injured for a month?


then wouldn't it be nice if you had developed self sufficient prospects as opposed to a team of veteran complimentary players who suddenly don't know what to do when the player they're supposed to compliment is gone....

Also there's no team in the league that wouldn't be severely affected by losing someone with Panarin's ability.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 7
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then wouldn't it be nice if you had developed self sufficient prospects as opposed to a team of veteran complimentary players who suddenly don't know what to do when the player they're supposed to compliment is gone....

Also there's no team in the league that wouldn't be severely affected by losing someone with Panarin's ability.


Yeah that's true. However if we want to contend next year it'll be very hard to do that if we get injuries

Anyway I don't think we should start contending next year, maybe in 2 years
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 13
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Yeah that's true. However if we want to contend next year it'll be very hard to do that if we get injuries

Anyway I don't think we should start contending next year, maybe in 2 years


Correct, I don't think we're done with the rebuild until Staal/Smith/Hank are off the books. It's why it's important that Chytil gets top 6 mins and Kakko/Kravtsov/Gauthier all play in the top 9 (meaning no Fast/Strome) so that when the time comes that we *are* contending, they're actually ready.

At this point, you save them spots in the top 9 and back fill your bottom 6 vacancies with cheap short term options.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 16
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Correct, I don't think we're done with the rebuild until Staal/Smith/Hank are off the books. It's why it's important that Chytil gets top 6 mins and Kakko/Kravtsov/Gauthier all play in the top 9 (meaning no Fast/Strome) so that when the time comes that we *are* contending, they're actually ready.

At this point, you save them spots in the top 9 and back fill your bottom 6 vacancies with cheap short term options.


Gauthier is a steal IMO

Plus who do you keep between Trouba/ADA? cause if you keep both maybe one of Lundkvist or Miller won't have much room in our lineup, never mind top 4 minutes...
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 18
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If he's cheap enough. They cant afford to give him much of a raise.

At close to $3m per season, for more than 2 seasons - no.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 21
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Gauthier is a steal IMO

Plus who do you keep between Trouba/ADA? cause if you keep both maybe one of Lundkvist or Miller won't have much room in our lineup, never mind top 4 minutes...


Yeah Gauthier is great in that Kreider/Josh Anderson mold.

Deangelo no question is the one you keep if you're getting rid of one. If you're trying to keep both, you move Trouba to LHD. Lundkvist or Miller might need AHL time. But it's fine to play Miller/Lundkvist on the bottom pair if they're playing behind Deangelo/Trouba/Lindgren/Fox. It's *not* OK if they're playing behind Staal or Smith.
1 juin 2020 à 14 h 40
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Keep him, hes a winning player, we can't afford more than 2 seasons though, after then we can reassess
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