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What if Toronto Decided to Move on From Matthews

Créé par: MitchMarner_16
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 31 mai 2020
Publié: 31 mai 2020
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Don’t want Matthews gone. Just thought it’d be interesting to see how this team looks on paper Without him. I hope it never comes to this point.

Oh and btw, I’m bored so this is the only reason I’m making Matthews Trade posts. Never wanna see this guy go. Hope he brings a cup and some hart trophies in the maple leaf!
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31 mai 2020 à 8 h 16
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I think you'd be surprised how fast Carolina hang up
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I think you'd be surprised how fast Carolina hang up


The whole point was to show that TORs asking price is WAY too high for anyone to consider it.
31 mai 2020 à 8 h 41
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The whole point was to show that TORs asking price is WAY too high for anyone to consider it.


The issue is you want a Norris calibre D man, and a forward who was on pace for 45 goals. Take out one and Necas, and ask Carolina to add maybe Bean and Rees/Suzuki and you're in the right kind of call park.
31 mai 2020 à 9 h 24
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I think a fun thought exercise is putting leafs fans eichel trades next to leafs fans matthews trades while eichel and matthews stats and contracts are placed next to each other as well.
31 mai 2020 à 10 h 6
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I think a fun thought exercise is putting leafs fans eichel trades next to leafs fans matthews trades while eichel and matthews stats and contracts are placed next to each other as well.


Those two are about as close to equal as you can get. I give Matthews the edge but it's close.
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31 mai 2020 à 10 h 6
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Well the DAL trade is just about as atrocious as the CAR trade.
31 mai 2020 à 10 h 15
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Those two are about as close to equal as you can get. I give Matthews the edge but it's close.


I agree except i give eichel an edge, but they are both damn good and would have similar value in a trade, so maybe when thinking nylander, dermott, robertson, a 1st 2 years from now for eichel is fair and then trade all this for matthews, you should notice the wild difference (I keep saying "you" but I don't mean you specifically)
31 mai 2020 à 10 h 17
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The issue is you want a Norris calibre D man, and a forward who was on pace for 45 goals. Take out one and Necas, and ask Carolina to add maybe Bean and Rees/Suzuki and you're in the right kind of call park.


Yeah no. Matthews is a franchise centre (top-5 in the league). Aho and Hamilton is fair (maybe Necas and the pick takes it a bit too far).

Bean is a bust and Rees and Suzuki are 2nd line forwards at best
31 mai 2020 à 10 h 26
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Yeah no. Matthews is a franchise centre (top-5 in the league). Aho and Hamilton is fair (maybe Necas and the pick takes it a bit too far).

Bean is a bust and Rees and Suzuki are 2nd line forwards at best


Bean will be a full-time NHL player next season
31 mai 2020 à 10 h 28
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Yeah no. Matthews is a franchise centre (top-5 in the league). Aho and Hamilton is fair (maybe Necas and the pick takes it a bit too far).

Bean is a bust and Rees and Suzuki are 2nd line forwards at best


Bean is going to be a full time NHLer next year

Matthews isn't a top 5 center. Personally I have him 7 or 8. His inability to play defence really hinders him. He isn't worth a top 15 centre in the league and a Norris calibre D man. Get outta here. You're delusional if you think he is.
31 mai 2020 à 10 h 44
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I agree except i give eichel an edge, but they are both damn good and would have similar value in a trade, so maybe when thinking nylander, dermott, robertson, a 1st 2 years from now for eichel is fair and then trade all this for matthews, you should notice the wild difference (I keep saying "you" but I don't mean you specifically)


I don't think that is fair for Eichel. I think if you trade Eichel you want a very strong chance of getting a franchise centre in return who is younger. Otherwise you are stuck looking for a franchise centre which is the hardest thing in the world to find.
31 mai 2020 à 11 h 34
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I'll speak from a Leaf and hockey fan POV. First, I think Matthews is the better now and for the next four yers Both Aho and Matthews have four years left on their contracts till UFA. Aho is 3.2 cheaper, and that savings can get another get another good player. So I would suggest Aho for Matthews might be pretty even trade, yea Canes might have add bit.
But to think the difference is one year of Hamilton, the potential of Necas. an NHL winger in Foegele and first rounder....now that's Leafs fantasy.
31 mai 2020 à 11 h 36
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Bean is going to be a full time NHLer next year

Matthews isn't a top 5 center. Personally I have him 7 or 8. His inability to play defence really hinders him. He isn't worth a top 15 centre in the league and a Norris calibre D man. Get outta here. You're delusional if you think he is.


Matthews inability to play defense? Cmon, everyone knows this isn't true by now, hes unbelievable defensively. He's the 4th best centre in the league behind Sid, McDavid and MacKinnon. You can make an argument that Draisaitl is better but he actually has an inability to play defense which I believe makes Matthews better. Either way the gap between Aho and Matthews is worth 1 year of Hamilton since no extension is in place. Not every Canes player is the best in the world btw
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Bean is going to be a full time NHLer next year

Matthews isn't a top 5 center. Personally I have him 7 or 8. His inability to play defence really hinders him. He isn't worth a top 15 centre in the league and a Norris calibre D man. Get outta here. You're delusional if you think he is.


You obviously don't know anything about Matthews. He is a solid defender. People need to look at some advanced stats and even simple stats as well as watch him play to see that is a great two way centre.
Goals above replacement and wins above replacement he has been top 3 in the league the last two seasons.
3rd in the NHL in takeaways this season.
+19 this year, +37 career ( I know +/- is a bad stat, but it still supports Matthews, no surprise)

I agree that he isn't worth Aho and Hamilton, but that is a credit to Aho and Hammy. Not a discredit to Matthews.
Matthews is 4-7 for sure. Its very very close between those top centres in the league so its certainly a debate
31 mai 2020 à 11 h 54
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Matthews is better than Eichel BUT Eichel has more trade value because of the longer cheaper contract.

Matthews is worth a 18 pack of Bud Light.
Eichel is worth a 24 pack of Bud.
31 mai 2020 à 11 h 58
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Matthews is better than Eichel BUT Eichel has more trade value because of the longer cheaper contract.

Matthews is worth a 18 pack of Bud Light.
Eichel is worth a 24 pack of Bud.


Anyone who drinks Bud Light deserves a ban (drink responsibly)
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31 mai 2020 à 12 h 0
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Anyone who drinks Bud Light deserves a ban (drink responsibly)


Yes, that Matthews contract, his lazy defensive play and his selfish give me the puck attitude leaves a bad taste in your mouth, just like Bud Light.

Matthews is Ovie 2.0, lazy and sits at the top of the circle waiting for Marner to give him an one timer and Hyman to win the puck battles as he hides.
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Yes, that Matthews contract, his lazy defensive play and his selfish give me the puck attitude leaves a bad taste in your mouth, just like Bud Light.


Oh, perfect f**king analogy. 10/10 there mate.
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Bean is going to be a full time NHLer next year

Matthews isn't a top 5 center. Personally I have him 7 or 8. His inability to play defence really hinders him. He isn't worth a top 15 centre in the league and a Norris calibre D man. Get outta here. You're delusional if you think he is.


"Inability to play defense" is a ridiculous statement. You clearly haven't watched him play at all... and you couldn't name 7 centres better than him. Crosby, Mackinnon, and Mcdavid (in no particular order) are the only ones who are better than him. Your bias is pretty clear here.
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"Inability to play defense" is a ridiculous statement. You clearly haven't watched him play at all... and you couldn't name 7 centres better than him. Crosby, Mackinnon, and Mcdavid (in no particular order) are the only ones who are better than him. Your bias is pretty clear here.


Crosby
McDavid
MacKinnon
Barkov
Malkin
Draisaitl
Just to name a few.
I think your bias is the one that's strong here. I have stats and facts to back up what I say, like Toronto having an xGA of +9 with Matthews and +5 without him. Numbers suggest he's a defensive liability on an already defensively inept team. He's part of the problem. That is just backed up by stats and facts.
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Crosby
McDavid
MacKinnon
Barkov
Malkin
Draisaitl
Just to name a few.
I think your bias is the one that's strong here. I have stats and facts to back up what I say, like Toronto having an xGA of +9 with Matthews and +5 without him. Numbers suggest he's a defensive liability on an already defensively inept team. He's part of the problem. That is just backed up by stats and facts.


Oof. Draisaitl is an absolute defensive disaster, and you can't seriously tell me that Malkin and Barkov are better. That's just common sense. Maybe 2011 Malkin, but not 2020 Malkin.
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1 juin 2020 à 10 h 17
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Oof. Draisaitl is an absolute defensive disaster, and you can't seriously tell me that Malkin and Barkov are better. That's just common sense. Maybe 2011 Malkin, but not 2020 Malkin.


Barkov is better, and I don't think that's close. Barkov's defensive game is better than Matthews offensive game, and Barkov's offensive game is better than Matthews defensive game. As for Malkin, if you give me the choice between Geno and Matthews, I'd take Geno every single time.
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Barkov is better, and I don't think that's close. Barkov's defensive game is better than Matthews offensive game, and Barkov's offensive game is better than Matthews defensive game. As for Malkin, if you give me the choice between Geno and Matthews, I'd take Geno every single time.


That's a ridiculous argument that Barkov is better at offense than Matthews is at defence. You can't compare things that way. Matthews' offence is a lot better than Barkov and the difference on defence is negligible. I understand you overvalue Hurricanes players a lot but come on.
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