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Letting the kids play

Créé par: mhockey91
Date de création initiale: mai 30, 2020
Publié: May 30 at 2:47 am
Équipe: 2020-21 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
McCann, Jared43 250 000 $
Murray, Matt65 750 000 $
Riikola, Juuso1900 000 $
Lafferty, Sam2850 000 $
Anderson, Josh22 250 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
van Riemsdyk, Trevor32 500 000 $
Transactions
PIT
  1. 2020 2e round pick (EDM)
DET
  1. Johnson, Jack
  2. Jarry, Tristan [Droits de RFA]
PIT
  1. 2020 5e round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Bjugstad, Nick
PIT
  1. Anderson, Josh [Droits de RFA]
CBJ
  1. Simon, Dominik [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2020 3e round pick (PIT)
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2020
EDM
PIT
PIT
MIN
PIT
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
ANA
2022
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $79 141 841 $0 $1 195 000 $2 358 159 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Anderson, Josh
2 250 000 $
AD
RFA
PIT
Zucker, Jason
5 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
9 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
PIT
Rust, Bryan
3 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
PIT
McCann, Jared
3 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA
PIT
Hållander, Filip
778 333 $
C
RFA - 2
PIT
Hörnqvist, Patric
5 300 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
1 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
3 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 5
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
PIT
Letang, Kris
7 250 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
Murray, Matt
5 750 000 $
G
RFA
PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
4 025 175 $
DG
UFA - 5
PIT
Marino, John
925 000 $
D
RFA - 1
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
1 250 000 $
G
UFA - 2
PIT
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 2
van Riemsdyk, Trevor
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
900 000 $
D
RFA
PIT
Ruhwedel, Chad
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
PIT
Lafferty, Sam
850 000 $
C, AG
RFA

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30 mai à 2 h 49
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Columbus declines. We have no interest in trading Anderson in division and a bottom 6 wing and a 3rd isn’t going to get us to move him anyways.

If you want him, offersheet him. It’s a 2nd round pick.
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30 mai à 2 h 52
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Columbus declines. We have no interest in trading Anderson in division and a bottom 6 wing and a 3rd isn’t going to get us to move him anyways.


If you want him, offersheet him. It’s a 2nd round pick.


I would offer the 2nd round pick acquired in the Detroit trade... but my whole question is... Simon and a 3rd is probably a better package than a 2nd so why turn that down?
30 mai à 3 h 02
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Quoting: mhockey91
I would offer the 2nd round pick acquired in the Detroit trade... but my whole question is... Simon and a 3rd is probably a better package than a 2nd so why turn that down?


Simon is a 13th forward with CBJ so 2nd > 3rd
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30 mai à 3 h 31
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Quoting: mhockey91
I would offer the 2nd round pick acquired in the Detroit trade... but my whole question is... Simon and a 3rd is probably a better package than a 2nd so why turn that down?


Because we have no use for a 13th-15th forward which is what Simone is for us. He’s a bottom 6- healthy scratch depth player, something Columbus has plenty of.
30 mai à 6 h 58
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If Detroit is taking JJ they aren't giving up a 2nd.

Quoting: mhockey91
I would offer the 2nd round pick acquired in the Detroit trade... but my whole question is... Simon and a 3rd is probably a better package than a 2nd so why turn that down?


Offersheet compensation has to be your own draft pick.
30 mai à 8 h 54
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Hallander, nice, not sure he'll be ready, but he'll be close(er than Poulin/Legare) imo
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30 mai à 11 h 31
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I'm all for it if PO Joseph and Hallander and whoever else are ready.
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30 mai à 14 h 23
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Simon is a 13th forward with CBJ so 2nd > 3rd


Quoting: Ajp_18
Because we have no use for a 13th-15th forward which is what Simone is for us. He’s a bottom 6- healthy scratch depth player, something Columbus has plenty of.


How on earth is Simon a healthy scratch forward on CBJ? He’s a solid depth forward.
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30 mai à 14 h 23
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Quoting: aedoran
If Detroit is taking JJ they aren't giving up a 2nd.

Offersheet compensation has to be your own draft pick.


Same return as Gruabuer + orpik to Colorado
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30 mai à 14 h 42
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Quoting: mhockey91
Same return as Gruabuer + orpik to Colorado


Yeah but Orpik was good JJ not so much.
30 mai à 15 h 51
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Quoting: aedoran
Yeah but Orpik was good JJ not so much.


Dude the avs bought out orpik and he signed back in Washington for a league minimum deal lol
30 mai à 16 h 21
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Quoting: mhockey91
How on earth is Simon a healthy scratch forward on CBJ? He’s a solid depth forward.


Because Columbus has too many depth forwards already... he might be on the 4th line vs Gerbe, but hes not better then anyone else.
30 mai à 17 h 00
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Because Columbus has too many depth forwards already... he might be on the 4th line vs Gerbe, but hes not better then anyone else.


Simon is an upgrade on a lot of your bottom 6 forwards like Nash, Robinson, Lilja, etc
30 mai à 17 h 02
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Hallander, nice, not sure he'll be ready, but he'll be close(er than Poulin/Legare) imo


I think it’ll be his job to lose imo. He’s either playing another year in Sweden or making the NHL.
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30 mai à 17 h 46
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Quoting: mhockey91
Simon is an upgrade on a lot of your bottom 6 forwards like Nash, Robinson, Lilja, etc


That’s the 4th line...

You’re also undervaluing Robinson big time.

Simone- 53.2 corsi%, 35 oiGF, 43 oiGA (-8)
Robinson- 53.3 corsi%, 23 oiGF, 13 oiGA (+10)

So yes Simon has more points but Robinson is underrated defensively.

I will give you Nash and Lilja. Our 4th line center and a player who’d be in the AHL if everyone was healthy.
30 mai à 17 h 55
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Quoting: Ajp_18
That’s the 4th line...

You’re also undervaluing Robinson big time.

Simone- 53.2 corsi%, 35 oiGF, 43 oiGA (-8)
Robinson- 53.3 corsi%, 23 oiGF, 13 oiGA (+10)

So yes Simon has more points but Robinson is underrated defensively.

I will give you Nash and Lilja. Our 4th line center and a player who’d be in the AHL if everyone was healthy.


dude Robinson sucks. Simon is an upgrade on CBJ bottom 6. theres no debate about that. Simon and a 3rd for a player who scored 1 goal this year is a fair trade. pens would be buying low on Anderson and rightfully so. pens could trade a 2nd round pick for him too and just flip Simon for a third rounder. both work
30 mai à 18 h 17
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Quoting: mhockey91
dude Robinson sucks. Simon is an upgrade on CBJ bottom 6. theres no debate about that. Simon and a 3rd for a player who scored 1 goal this year is a fair trade. pens would be buying low on Anderson and rightfully so. pens could trade a 2nd round pick for him too and just flip Simon for a third rounder. both work


Or not... dude you’re overrating Simon... how about offersheet Anderson... an Anderson to Pittsburgh trade won’t be “fair”, Columbus wouldn’t trade him in division anyways. We don’t have to move him, we go to arbitration and keep him to a 1 year contract, from management they don’t want to move him.

Is Simon is such a godly bottle 6 player keep him, you obviously need his awful defensive stats.
30 mai à 18 h 25
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Or not... dude you’re overrating Simon... how about offersheet Anderson... an Anderson to Pittsburgh trade won’t be “fair”, Columbus wouldn’t trade him in division anyways. We don’t have to move him, we go to arbitration and keep him to a 1 year contract, from management they don’t want to move him.

Is Simon is such a godly bottle 6 player keep him, you obviously need his awful defensive stats.


Simon is a very solid bottom 6 player. I watch him game in and game out. hes not an elite defensive player but hes not a liability like you're suggesting. I literally just said Simons worth is equivalent to a third... how is that overrating him?
30 mai à 18 h 41
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Quoting: mhockey91
Simon is a very solid bottom 6 player. I watch him game in and game out. hes not an elite defensive player but hes not a liability like you're suggesting. I literally just said Simons worth is equivalent to a third... how is that overrating him?


I never said he was a defensively liability.... I just showed you stats on why Robinson and Simon are much closer rated then you think, then you said Robinson sucks... see where that’s a little confusing? The stats and metrics show how both players are “very solid bottom 6 forwards”. So if Simon is worth a 3rd so is Robinson, but you say Robinson sucks so... you’re either underrating Robinson or overrating Simon.
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30 mai à 18 h 46
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Hallander, nice, not sure he'll be ready, but he'll be close(er than Poulin/Legare) imo


The job is Hållander's to lose, they have all but stated that when they said, he won't play in the AHL. He's coming into camp next year to earn a roster spot.

Quoting: Ajp_18
Because Columbus has too many depth forwards already... he might be on the 4th line vs Gerbe, but hes not better then anyone else.


Simon is a much better player than Gerbe and Robinson for that matter.
Not that CBJ is trading Josh to the penguins. They aren't, under any circumstances and they would match any penguins offer sheet on him so that's just pointless too. They won't let him go to their in division rival at all. So the whole idea is just nonsense to start.

Simon is not a bottom 6 forward for the record. He's not a 4th line kind of player. He's a guy who has to play at least mid 6 minutes. He's clearly not a 1st line player he doesn't have offensive chops to be one.
If anything he's a 3rd liner. He is really strong on the puck and he does make things happen. He has good knowledge of the game but he has no real shot. He'd look like a much better player if he had any kind of finish in his game, because he does get opportunities. But truth be told, I could have a 12 pack and still shoot better than he can. He can't hit the broad side of a barn.

But looking at CBJ it's hard to not say he's a better player than Wennberg or Nash especially at the cap hit. Both of which have top 9 roles. But CBJ is already carrying those contracts.
But he's not worth JA and I don't think a 3rd makes up the difference.
I honestly think this idea that JA can be had for a 2nd is kind of nonsense. If they would have traded him at TDL he would have returned a nice package.
30 mai à 18 h 51
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Quoting: pharrow
The job is Hållander's to lose, they have all but stated that when they said, he won't play in the AHL. He's coming into camp next year to earn a roster spot.



Simon is a much better player than Gerbe and Robinson for that matter.
Not that CBJ is trading Josh to the penguins. They aren't, under any circumstances and they would match any penguins offer sheet on him so that's just pointless too. They won't let him go to their in division rival at all. So the whole idea is just nonsense to start.

Simon is not a bottom 6 forward for the record. He's not a 4th line kind of player. He's a guy who has to play at least mid 6 minutes. He's clearly not a 1st line player he doesn't have offensive chops to be one.
If anything he's a 3rd liner. He is really strong on the puck and he does make things happen. He has good knowledge of the game but he has no real shot. He'd look like a much better player if he had any kind of finish in his game, because he does get opportunities. But truth be told, I could have a 12 pack and still shoot better than he can. He can't hit the broad side of a barn.

But looking at CBJ it's hard to not say he's a better player than Wennberg or Nash especially at the cap hit. Both of which have top 9 roles. But CBJ is already carrying those contracts.
But he's not worth JA and I don't think a 3rd makes up the difference.
I honestly think this idea that JA can be had for a 2nd is kind of nonsense. If they would have traded him at TDL he would have returned a nice package.


Simone- 53.2 corsi%, 35 oiGF, 43 oiGA (-8)
Robinson- 53.3 corsi%, 23 oiGF, 13 oiGA (+10)

Robinson and Simon are closer then you think... Simon is a 3rd/4th liner. In Columbus he’d end up on the 4th line with Robinson and Nash or Gerbe.
30 mai à 19 h 07
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Simone- 53.2 corsi%, 35 oiGF, 43 oiGA (-8)
Robinson- 53.3 corsi%, 23 oiGF, 13 oiGA (+10)

Robinson and Simon are closer then you think... Simon is a 3rd/4th liner. In Columbus he’d end up on the 4th line with Robinson and Nash or Gerbe.


I follow both of these teams. I have seen a lot of games of both teams. I am very familiar with both players.
Simon is a playmaker with absolutely no finish to his game. However, his game IQ is so much higher. The averages almost 1.6 shots a game. A lot of them high danger. He just knows where to be and the right play to make. I'm sure it's a bit easier given his line mates are vastly superior. But one can't deny the work aspect of his game. Which is why everyone describes him as hard on the puck. He fights for it. However, when he shoots, every penguins fan looks at him and goes. "how the F did he miss that, jesus the net was wide open" as the puck rattles off the back boards. I mean it's embarrassing level of a shot. But he always makes the plays to get there.
I never end up saying things like that watching Robinson play. He's just not noticeable in the same way on the ice where he's always there making a play chipping in. Be it a pass, or shot he has no ability to make.
Robinson is a good player, but the comparison here is really much different than what stats are going to show. Robinson is a physical player, a true 4th liner. A look at his hits shows this.
Simon is a skill guy with no shot. Just looking at things like take aways shows that. Simon has 41, Robinson 13.
Given Simon coughs it up more, but the penguins play a high risk high reward offense trying to stretch the ice and he's been matched up on hard matchups due to being on Crosby's line.
But he's still making those plays which makes him stick out.
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