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Cirelli for Eleventh Overall and San Jose Trade

Créé par: OldNYIfan
Date de création initiale: mai 29, 2020
Publié: May 29 at 4:07 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Explications
It's painful to have to give Cirelli up, but Tampa keeps Sergachev (signed to a bridge deal) and Cernak and gains the 11th overall pick in a very good draft.

Tyler Johnson waives his NTC to get closer to home and increased playing time.

Of course, this scheme doesn't work without the ability to use a "compliance buy-out" on Yanni Gourde (shown in the LTIR because I'm an Anaheim guy).
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Sergachev, Mikhail23 750 000 $
Cernak, Erik22 950 000 $
Verhaeghe, Carter11 400 000 $
Joseph, Mathieu21 000 000 $
Stephens, Mitchell21 000 000 $
Volkov, Alexander21 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Shattenkirk, Kevin21 750 000 $
Bogosian, Zach21 250 000 $
Maroon, Patrick1900 000 $
Transactions
TBL
  1. Donato, Ryan
  2. 2020 1e round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Cirelli, Anthony [Droits de RFA]
  2. Killorn, Alex
TBL
  1. Chmelevski, Alexander
  2. Dahlén, Jonathan [Droits de RFA]
SJS
  1. Johnson, Tyler
Rachats de contrats
  • Vincent Lecavalier: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MIN
TBL
PHI
TBL
DET
TBL
OTT
TBL
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
NJD
NSH
TBL
2022
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $79 209 258 $0 $0 $2 290 742 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TBL
Coleman, Blake
1 800 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
8 500 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 4
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
9 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 7
MIN
Donato, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AD, AG, C
RFA - 1
TBL
Point, Brayden
6 750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
5 300 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
1 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
TBL
Goodrow, Barclay
925 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
TBL
Joseph, Mathieu
1 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
TBL
Verhaeghe, Carter
1 400 000 $
C, AG
RFA
TBL
Stephens, Mitchell
1 000 000 $
C
RFA
TBL
Volkov, Alexander
1 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
TBL
Barré-Boulet, Alex
759 258 $
C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TBL
Hedman, Victor
7 875 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Cernak, Erik
2 950 000 $
DD
RFA
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
9 500 000 $
G
UFA - 8
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
6 750 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Shattenkirk, Kevin
1 750 000 $
DD
UFA
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
1 300 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
3 750 000 $
DG
RFA
TBL
Bogosian, Zach
1 250 000 $
DD
UFA
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
1 700 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
5 166 666 $
AD, AG, C
NTC
UFA - 5

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29 mai à 16 h 16
#1
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Lol no thanks. If Johnson does waive I’ll pay maybe a late second max to get him. He’s overpaid and not even a 50 point player anymore
29 mai à 16 h 23
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Why would Johnson waive when him not waiving would mean they couldn't afford to take on Donato and he could just slide into that spot in the top 6?

And you've used a compliance buyout here, which I don't see the union agreeing to.

$3.75 caphit for a third pairing Left D isn't a luxury they can afford.
29 mai à 16 h 27
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Doug gives u the Mutombo finger over zoom
29 mai à 16 h 28
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Quoting: jimmyjets
Why would Johnson waive when him not waiving would mean they couldn't afford to take on Donato and he could just slide into that spot in the top 6?

And you've used a compliance buyout here, which I don't see the union agreeing to.

$3.75 caphit for a third pairing Left D isn't a luxury they can afford.


I don't know which of your three statements is the silliest . . . I'll go with Mikhael Sergechev isn't worth $3.75 million.
29 mai à 16 h 30
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Quoting: papishark
Lol no thanks. If Johnson does waive I’ll pay maybe a late second max to get him. He’s overpaid and not even a 50 point player anymore


Papi: would you rather give up the Colorado second? I did it this way because I thought you'd prefer to have a pick in between your second and your fifth.
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29 mai à 16 h 31
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Quoting: sharks_1999
Doug gives u the Mutombo finger over zoom


Quoting: papishark
Lol no thanks. If Johnson does waive I’ll pay maybe a late second max to get him. He’s overpaid and not even a 50 point player anymore


He had 29 goals last season while I think kellman or gambrel and Roy would be a better package I could see Johnson filling out our top 6 At a reasonable price.
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29 mai à 16 h 31
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11oa for Cirelli is interesting to me (as I mentioned in our previous convo). Still not sure if it's enough for Cirelli and Killorn though. Maybe for Johnson instead if he'd waive since he isn't as good.
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29 mai à 16 h 32
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Sergachev should get more than that.
29 mai à 16 h 32
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
He had 29 goals last season while I think kellman or gambrel and Roy would be a better package I could see Johnson filling out our top 6 At a reasonable price.


Not saying I don't like Johnson, i think Sasha and Dahlen are not the assets that we are getting rid of here. Certainly not Dahlen that is for sure
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29 mai à 16 h 33
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Quoting: TanSor
11oa for Cirelli is interesting to me (as I mentioned in our previous convo). Still not sure if it's enough for Cirelli and Killorn though. Maybe for Johnson instead if he'd waive since he isn't as good.


Would you rather offer sheet him and give next years pick?
I would.
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29 mai à 16 h 33
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Quoting: papishark
Lol no thanks. If Johnson does waive I’ll pay maybe a late second max to get him. He’s overpaid and not even a 50 point player anymore


he been playing 3rd line minutes, if it was 18 minutes he would be a 50 point scorer
29 mai à 16 h 35
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Quoting: TanSor
11oa for Cirelli is interesting to me (as I mentioned in our previous convo). Still not sure if it's enough for Cirelli and Killorn though. Maybe for Johnson instead if he'd waive since he isn't as good.


overall just give him second-line minutes
29 mai à 16 h 36
#13
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What about Johnson Gourde and McDonagh for Karlsson?
This helps both teams I think?
Thoughts everyone??????
29 mai à 16 h 36
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
He had 29 goals last season while I think kellman or gambrel and Roy would be a better package I could see Johnson filling out our top 6 At a reasonable price.


Thanks for helping out. I don't know the Sharks' prospect pool that well and was just trying to get something reasonable to Tampa Bay. (I chose two highly-rated youngsters from Dobber Prospects.) The idea was for the Lightning to cut their losses, not make a profit. This post is preparatory to a Sharks rebuild post, so I'll do better from that side.
29 mai à 16 h 37
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Quoting: sharks_1999
Not saying I don't like Johnson, i think Sasha and Dahlen are not the assets that we are getting rid of here. Certainly not Dahlen that is for sure


Dahlen isn’t leaving Europe and not advancing to the better league in Europe I see him as a dead end
29 mai à 16 h 40
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Quoting: Trickster
Sergachev should get more than that.


The Jets fan above sneers at the thought.

I think a two-year bridge deal at that price is reasonable, because then he gets a bigger hit and a longer contract with his next deal.
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29 mai à 16 h 40
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Thanks for helping out. I don't know the Sharks' prospect pool that well and was just trying to get something reasonable to Tampa Bay. (I chose two highly-rated youngsters from Dobber Prospects.) The idea was for the Lightning to cut their losses, not make a profit. This post is preparatory to a Sharks rebuild post, so I'll do better from that side.


I’m low on Dahlen but high on Sasha I doubt he goes
Gambrel is very affordable bottom 6 with middle 6 potential
Roy is a 4/5 Defensive DMan prospect that gives you two decent prospects and tons of cap space.
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29 mai à 16 h 43
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Quoting: sharks_1999
Not saying I don't like Johnson, i think Sasha and Dahlen are not the assets that we are getting rid of here. Certainly not Dahlen that is for sure


Fine. As I said above, I don't know the Sharks' farm system that well and I was essentially throwing darts at a board. Gambrell and Roy are fine for my purposes.
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29 mai à 16 h 46
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
I’m low on Dahlen but high on Sasha I doubt he goes
Gambrel is very affordable bottom 6 with middle 6 potential
Roy is a 4/5 Defensive DMan prospect that gives you two decent prospects and tons of cap space.


And Roy is a RD, where the Lightning need depth.

Plus, Gambrell is signed to the League minimum.
29 mai à 17 h 07
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Quoting: TanSor
11oa for Cirelli is interesting to me (as I mentioned in our previous convo). Still not sure if it's enough for Cirelli and Killorn though. Maybe for Johnson instead if he'd waive since he isn't as good.


I like the trade. I wouldn't settle for Johnson though. I think Guerin can play some hard ball here since the bolts are in such a tough cap situation. Also the bolts may want to keep Johnson since he is 1 of 2 right hand shot forwards they have.
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29 mai à 17 h 23
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Quoting: papishark
Lol no thanks. If Johnson does waive I’ll pay maybe a late second max to get him. He’s overpaid and not even a 50 point player anymore


Both Johnson and Gourde being over paid is going to make it very difficult for the team to move either one of them. Even if they did manage to waive, not that I think they will.
I don't see any teaming wanting those salaries. If they were 3 million guys maybe. So if they waive them, they are going to have serious problems.
You'll officially have a PO player you can't trade for 4 or 5 more years.
I just don't see anyone running to take either one of those contracts.
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29 mai à 17 h 26
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Quoting: Paul13
I like the trade. I wouldn't settle for Johnson though. I think Guerin can play some hard ball here since the bolts are in such a tough cap situation. Also the bolts may want to keep Johnson since he is 1 of 2 right hand shot forwards they have.


I think Cirelli and Killorn for the 11th and Donato is fair because Donato is worth more than Killorn, in that he's younger and cheaper.

I need Johnson elsewhere anyway, because he's the temporary replacement for Tomas Hertl, who's going to Buffalo for the 7th overall pick.

So Buffalo ends up with Hertl, Minnesota ends up with Cirelli, San Jose ends up with Marco Rossi, and Tampa ends up with Anton Lundell or Dawson Mercer. And Tampa gets to keep Sergachev and Cernak.
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29 mai à 17 h 29
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Quoting: Trickster
Would you rather offer sheet him and give next years pick?
I would.


Yeah probably. This draft is deep with forwards and next year is deep with defenseman. We need forwards
29 mai à 17 h 31
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Quoting: Paul13
I like the trade. I wouldn't settle for Johnson though. I think Guerin can play some hard ball here since the bolts are in such a tough cap situation. Also the bolts may want to keep Johnson since he is 1 of 2 right hand shot forwards they have.


They have three in the top 6: Stamkos, Point, Johnson. I don't think they'll be hurting if they move Johnson

Stepehens is also a right shot if the re-sign him for their bottom 6
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29 mai à 17 h 36
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Quoting: Trickster
Would you rather offer sheet him and give next years pick?
I would.


I'd rather go the OS route too, but I don't see an OS happening. Too many moving parts: MN doesn't offer one, another team offers a better one, TB matches, or Cirelli doesn't sign it.

@OldNYIfan I think Donato with half retained makes the deal look a little better for TB. A $950k difference isn't a lot, but it might be enough to push it over the top.
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