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Another not gonna happen Eichel trade for no reason

Créé par: Pens3lieve
Date de création initiale: mai 28, 2020
Publié: May 29 at 12:10 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Explications
Why is everyone trading for Eichel?
Hornqvist/Bjugstad there for salary.

What if you add Poulin to the Eichel deal?

approximate Value in picks
4 1sts
2 2nds
1 3rd
1 4th
2 5ths
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Jarry, Tristan43 000 000 $
McCann, Jared43 000 000 $
Ullmark, Linus32 000 000 $
Simon, Dominik31 250 000 $
Rodrigues, Evan21 000 000 $
Riikola, Juuso2800 000 $
Lafferty, Sam2700 000 $
Angello, Anthony2700 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Haula, Erik32 750 000 $
Beaulieu, Nathan31 750 000 $
Marleau, Patrick1700 000 $
Transactions
PIT
  1. Eichel, Jack (1 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Ullmark, Linus [Droits de RFA]
BUF
  1. Bjugstad, Nick
  2. Hörnqvist, Patric
  3. Hållander, Filip
  4. Légaré, Nathan
  5. Almeida, Justin
  6. Murray, Matt [Droits de RFA]
  7. 2021 1e round pick (PIT)
  8. 2022 1e round pick (PIT)
  9. 2022 2e round pick (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
Bjugstad=4th-injured this year but has been consistent 20 goal scorer.
Hornqvist=5th-because of contract but he scored 20-30 each year and great on PP.
Hallander=2nd best prospect=drafted in 2nd.
Legare=top-5 prospect=drafted in 3rd.
Almeida=had 111 PTS in WHL last year.
Murray=value at least a first.
PIT
    CBO
    ANA
    1. Johnson, Jack
    PIT
    1. Roy, Matt
    LAK
    1. Björkqvist, Kasper
    2. Almari, Niclas
    3. 2022 5e round pick (PIT)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2020
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    2021
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    ANA
    2022
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    PIT
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $80 600 175 $0 $850 000 $899 825 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    PIT
    Zucker, Jason
    5 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    PIT
    Crosby, Sidney
    8 700 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    9 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 6
    PIT
    Guentzel, Jake
    6 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 4
    PIT
    Malkin, Evgeni
    9 500 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Rust, Bryan
    3 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    McCann, Jared
    3 000 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA
    Haula, Erik
    2 750 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA
    PIT
    Rodrigues, Evan
    1 000 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA
    PIT
    Aston-Reese, Zach
    1 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Blueger, Teddy
    750 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Tanev, Brandon
    3 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    PIT
    Dumoulin, Brian
    4 100 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    PIT
    Letang, Kris
    7 250 000 $
    DD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Jarry, Tristan
    3 000 000 $
    G
    RFA
    PIT
    Pettersson, Marcus
    4 025 175 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
    PIT
    Marino, John
    925 000 $
    D
    RFA - 1
    Ullmark, Linus
    2 000 000 $
    G
    RFA
    Beaulieu, Nathan
    1 750 000 $
    DG
    UFA
    LAK
    Roy, Matt
    700 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    PIT
    Ruhwedel, Chad
    700 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Simon, Dominik
    1 250 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA
    PIT
    Riikola, Juuso
    800 000 $
    D
    RFA
    PIT
    Marleau, Patrick
    700 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA
    PIT
    Lafferty, Sam
    700 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA
    PIT
    Angello, Anthony
    700 000 $
    C
    RFA
    PIT
    Poulin, Samuel
    925 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    O'Connor, Drew
    925 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    Zohorna, Radim
    792 500 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    PIT
    Trotman, Zach
    700 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    DeSmith, Casey
    1 250 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Reilly, Will
    806 250 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    Lee, Cameron
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
    863 333 $
    DG
    RFA - 2

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    29 mai à 12 h 10
    #1
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    29 mai à 12 h 12
    #2
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    So two cap dumps, a goalie that Ullmark was better than. Some late first round picks and some prospects, I think the Sabres decline.
    29 mai à 12 h 14
    #3
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    Literally outside of Crosby and Malkin, the Pens couldn’t make a trade happen without it being ridiculous amount of quantity, and then why would BUF do it because they wouldn’t be getting cap relief.
    29 mai à 12 h 15
    #4
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    So two cap dumps, a goalie that Ullmark was better than. Some late first round picks and some prospects, I think the Sabres decline.


    Don’t forget that we’ll retain, because why tf not. Make it 2M per year in retention, or better yet 3 per year
    29 mai à 12 h 15
    #5
    Démarrer sujet
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    So two cap dumps, a goalie that Ullmark was better than. Some late first round picks and some prospects, I think the Sabres decline.


    I wouldn't really call them cap dumps. Bjugstad was just injured all year and Horny is overpaid by a mil, but both can score 20+ every year. either way salary would have to go back to BUF from PIT. What would you be looking for from PIT?--I understand PIT can't give the best offer but...
    Poulin is our top prospect, PO Joseph is up there also.
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    29 mai à 12 h 15
    #6
    G O S I M E K
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    Yeah this ain’t gonna happen. You’d be lucky if this package landed you a 2nd line Centre over 30. It’s pretty ugly sorry.
    29 mai à 12 h 15
    #7
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    Another flat cap with a CBO and no cap space, lol.
    29 mai à 12 h 17
    #8
    Go Wings Go
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    Pittsburgh doesn't have the pieces to get Jack Eichel out of Buffalo, Both Bjugstad and Hornqvist are cap dumps. And why would Buffalo want Murray they've Ullmark and their one Goalie prospect as their future Goaltenders. This is bad for Buffalo.
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    29 mai à 12 h 29
    #9
    redw1n9s
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    Why do none of you people understand trade value?
    29 mai à 13 h 33
    #10
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    I don't think there's anything PIT can offer unless they wanted to give up Malkin or Crosby. BUF is going to want an elite center in return because they aren't rebuidling. MAYBE they'd do Guentzel+Poulin? But agian, they need centers.
    29 mai à 14 h 02
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    I'd like to get a legit 2nd center and let malkin play with crosby for his final 2 seasons as a penguin
    29 mai à 14 h 06
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    "Quantity"
    29 mai à 14 h 20
    #13
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    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    I don't think there's anything PIT can offer unless they wanted to give up Malkin or Crosby. BUF is going to want an elite center in return because they aren't rebuidling. MAYBE they'd do Guentzel+Poulin? But agian, they need centers.


    I'm willing to build a package around Malkin as the main piece going to Buffalo. Crosby is a hard no. With Malkin being the big piece, Guentzel, Doumulin, Letang... maybe Marino are no's as well.

    Maybe Malkin, Murray (RFA), + for Eichel, +
    29 mai à 14 h 25
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    Quoting: Geno_the_Hero
    I'd like to get a legit 2nd center and let malkin play with crosby for his final 2 seasons as a penguin


    what makes you think that Malkin wants to play wing?

    He's been a center his whole life.

    Malkin probably retires a penguin, unless he really slows down his contract ends and he's not willing to take less.
    29 mai à 14 h 30
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    Quoting: Yojimbo
    I'm willing to build a package around Malkin as the main piece going to Buffalo. Crosby is a hard no. With Malkin being the big piece, Guentzel, Doumulin, Letang... maybe Marino are no's as well.

    Maybe Malkin, Murray (RFA), + for Eichel, +


    Here's the thing with that though. Malkin wouulnt' waive and why would BUF want him. if they trade Eichel then its to spread the wealth and postpone contending for a couple more years. Aside from McCann/Simon/Erod/Murray/Jarry what young players does PIT have in the NHL that they would give without leaving a hole in the team?
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    29 mai à 16 h 52
    #16
    Hockey Super Genius
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    I LOVE IT
    Im a big Ullmark fan too so really like it
    29 mai à 17 h 33
    #17
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    Any trade for Eichel starts with Guentzel.
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    29 mai à 17 h 38
    #18
    mhockey91
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    So two cap dumps, a goalie that Ullmark was better than. Some late first round picks and some prospects, I think the Sabres decline.


    I think we can both agree that this trade is bad for Buff, but lets be clear, Murrays value is MUCH higher than Ullmarks.
    29 mai à 17 h 54
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    I think we can both agree that this trade is bad for Buff, but lets be clear, Murrays value is MUCH higher than Ullmarks.


    Ullmark had a better season.
    29 mai à 18 h 03
    #20
    mhockey91
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    Ullmark had a better season.


    Murray struggled this year but every season of Murray’s career has been significantly better than Ulmark. The two goalies aren’t even comparable.
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    29 mai à 18 h 11
    #21
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    Murray struggled this year but every season of Murray’s career has been significantly better than Ulmark. The two goalies aren’t even comparable.

    I would rather have Ullmark than Murray. But that’s my opinion.
    29 mai à 18 h 22
    #22
    NoWah49
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    the Pens legitimately don't have anything to give up of value that would make the deal work. Only way to get him is through Sid/Geno/Guentz, which isn't worth it
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    29 mai à 18 h 33
    #23
    mhockey91
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    I would rather have Ullmark than Murray. But that’s my opinion.


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    29 mai à 19 h 06
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Any trade for Eichel starts with Guentzel.


    strats? that means there is a more?

    I would only do that one for one. Jakes a 40 goal guy in his own regard.
    29 mai à 19 h 37
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    Quoting: pharrow
    strats? that means there is a more?

    I would only do that one for one. Jakes a 40 goal guy in his own regard.


    I would not trade Guentzel cuz of the way he fits the team, but Eichel is a better player than him & it’s not even remotely close. Last season, Eichel scored at a point per game & this year was on pace for 43 goals & 94 points. Gotta take into consideration that Jake was playing with sid & Geno, the 2 best centers in the game whereas Eichel doesn’t play with anyone elite. If Eichel was playing on the wing with Sid/Geno, he’d be putting up 50 goals 110 points every season. Not saying Jake is bad, but you’re comparing a franchise player to an elite player. There’s quite a big difference there.
     
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