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Another not gonna happen Eichel trade for no reason

Créé par: Pens3lieve
Équipe: 2020-21 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 28 mai 2020
Publié: 29 mai 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Why is everyone trading for Eichel?
Hornqvist/Bjugstad there for salary.

What if you add Poulin to the Eichel deal?

approximate Value in picks
4 1sts
2 2nds
1 3rd
1 4th
2 5ths
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
43 000 000 $
43 000 000 $
32 000 000 $
31 250 000 $
21 000 000 $
2800 000 $
2700 000 $
2700 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
32 750 000 $
31 750 000 $
1700 000 $
Transactions
1.
PIT
  1. Eichel, Jack (1 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Ullmark, Linus [Droits de RFA]
BUF
  1. Almeida, Justin
  2. Bjugstad, Nick
  3. Hållander, Filip
  4. Hörnqvist, Patric
  5. Légaré, Nathan
  6. Murray, Matt [Droits de RFA]
  7. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
  8. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (PIT)
  9. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
Bjugstad=4th-injured this year but has been consistent 20 goal scorer.
Hornqvist=5th-because of contract but he scored 20-30 each year and great on PP.
Hallander=2nd best prospect=drafted in 2nd.
Legare=top-5 prospect=drafted in 3rd.
Almeida=had 111 PTS in WHL last year.
Murray=value at least a first.
2.
PIT
    CBO
    3.
    LAK
    1. Almari, Niclas
    2. Björkqvist, Kasper
    3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (PIT)
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
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    C
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    C, AG
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    2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
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    1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
    AG, C
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    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    DG
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    UFA - 3
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    7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
    DD
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 2
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    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
    DD
    UFA - 1
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    700 000 $700 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
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    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 3
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    4 025 175 $4 025 175 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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    UFA - 1
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    1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
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    UFA - 1
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    UFA - 2
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    700 000 $700 000 $
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    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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    806 250 $806 250 $ (Bonis de performance20 000 $$20K)
    DD
    UFA - 2
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    925 000 $925 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
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    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
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    29 mai 2020 à 12 h 10
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    29 mai 2020 à 12 h 12
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    So two cap dumps, a goalie that Ullmark was better than. Some late first round picks and some prospects, I think the Sabres decline.
    29 mai 2020 à 12 h 14
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    Literally outside of Crosby and Malkin, the Pens couldn’t make a trade happen without it being ridiculous amount of quantity, and then why would BUF do it because they wouldn’t be getting cap relief.
    29 mai 2020 à 12 h 15
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    So two cap dumps, a goalie that Ullmark was better than. Some late first round picks and some prospects, I think the Sabres decline.


    Don’t forget that we’ll retain, because why tf not. Make it 2M per year in retention, or better yet 3 per year
    29 mai 2020 à 12 h 15
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    So two cap dumps, a goalie that Ullmark was better than. Some late first round picks and some prospects, I think the Sabres decline.


    I wouldn't really call them cap dumps. Bjugstad was just injured all year and Horny is overpaid by a mil, but both can score 20+ every year. either way salary would have to go back to BUF from PIT. What would you be looking for from PIT?--I understand PIT can't give the best offer but...
    Poulin is our top prospect, PO Joseph is up there also.
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    29 mai 2020 à 12 h 15
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    Yeah this ain’t gonna happen. You’d be lucky if this package landed you a 2nd line Centre over 30. It’s pretty ugly sorry.
    29 mai 2020 à 12 h 15
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    Another flat cap with a CBO and no cap space, lol.
    29 mai 2020 à 12 h 17
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    Pittsburgh doesn't have the pieces to get Jack Eichel out of Buffalo, Both Bjugstad and Hornqvist are cap dumps. And why would Buffalo want Murray they've Ullmark and their one Goalie prospect as their future Goaltenders. This is bad for Buffalo.
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    29 mai 2020 à 12 h 29
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    Why do none of you people understand trade value?
    29 mai 2020 à 13 h 33
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    I don't think there's anything PIT can offer unless they wanted to give up Malkin or Crosby. BUF is going to want an elite center in return because they aren't rebuidling. MAYBE they'd do Guentzel+Poulin? But agian, they need centers.
    29 mai 2020 à 14 h 2
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    I'd like to get a legit 2nd center and let malkin play with crosby for his final 2 seasons as a penguin
    29 mai 2020 à 14 h 6
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    "Quantity"
    29 mai 2020 à 14 h 20
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    Quoting: ClockReads2113
    I don't think there's anything PIT can offer unless they wanted to give up Malkin or Crosby. BUF is going to want an elite center in return because they aren't rebuidling. MAYBE they'd do Guentzel+Poulin? But agian, they need centers.


    I'm willing to build a package around Malkin as the main piece going to Buffalo. Crosby is a hard no. With Malkin being the big piece, Guentzel, Doumulin, Letang... maybe Marino are no's as well.

    Maybe Malkin, Murray (RFA), + for Eichel, +
    29 mai 2020 à 14 h 25
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    Quoting: Geno_the_Hero
    I'd like to get a legit 2nd center and let malkin play with crosby for his final 2 seasons as a penguin


    what makes you think that Malkin wants to play wing?

    He's been a center his whole life.

    Malkin probably retires a penguin, unless he really slows down his contract ends and he's not willing to take less.
    29 mai 2020 à 14 h 30
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    Quoting: Yojimbo
    I'm willing to build a package around Malkin as the main piece going to Buffalo. Crosby is a hard no. With Malkin being the big piece, Guentzel, Doumulin, Letang... maybe Marino are no's as well.

    Maybe Malkin, Murray (RFA), + for Eichel, +


    Here's the thing with that though. Malkin wouulnt' waive and why would BUF want him. if they trade Eichel then its to spread the wealth and postpone contending for a couple more years. Aside from McCann/Simon/Erod/Murray/Jarry what young players does PIT have in the NHL that they would give without leaving a hole in the team?
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    29 mai 2020 à 16 h 52
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    I LOVE IT
    Im a big Ullmark fan too so really like it
    29 mai 2020 à 17 h 33
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    Any trade for Eichel starts with Guentzel.
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    29 mai 2020 à 17 h 38
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    So two cap dumps, a goalie that Ullmark was better than. Some late first round picks and some prospects, I think the Sabres decline.


    I think we can both agree that this trade is bad for Buff, but lets be clear, Murrays value is MUCH higher than Ullmarks.
    29 mai 2020 à 17 h 54
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    I think we can both agree that this trade is bad for Buff, but lets be clear, Murrays value is MUCH higher than Ullmarks.


    Ullmark had a better season.
    29 mai 2020 à 18 h 3
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    Ullmark had a better season.


    Murray struggled this year but every season of Murray’s career has been significantly better than Ulmark. The two goalies aren’t even comparable.
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    29 mai 2020 à 18 h 11
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    Murray struggled this year but every season of Murray’s career has been significantly better than Ulmark. The two goalies aren’t even comparable.

    I would rather have Ullmark than Murray. But that’s my opinion.
    29 mai 2020 à 18 h 22
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    the Pens legitimately don't have anything to give up of value that would make the deal work. Only way to get him is through Sid/Geno/Guentz, which isn't worth it
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    29 mai 2020 à 18 h 33
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    I would rather have Ullmark than Murray. But that’s my opinion.


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    29 mai 2020 à 19 h 6
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Any trade for Eichel starts with Guentzel.


    strats? that means there is a more?

    I would only do that one for one. Jakes a 40 goal guy in his own regard.
    29 mai 2020 à 19 h 37
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    Quoting: pharrow
    strats? that means there is a more?

    I would only do that one for one. Jakes a 40 goal guy in his own regard.


    I would not trade Guentzel cuz of the way he fits the team, but Eichel is a better player than him & it’s not even remotely close. Last season, Eichel scored at a point per game & this year was on pace for 43 goals & 94 points. Gotta take into consideration that Jake was playing with sid & Geno, the 2 best centers in the game whereas Eichel doesn’t play with anyone elite. If Eichel was playing on the wing with Sid/Geno, he’d be putting up 50 goals 110 points every season. Not saying Jake is bad, but you’re comparing a franchise player to an elite player. There’s quite a big difference there.
     
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