If Tampa believes that Dumba will have a bounce back season they take that fast

That's kind of the big "if", but watching Dumba my opinion is that it was all in his head this season. My thinking was that Tampa might prefer that risk over getting picks in an offer sheet since they're primed to contend now and they need a RD anyways

Is this a joke? First off Tampa can't afford to take on any money even at 50% retention, Tampa has no use for Dumba and Brisebois isn't trading his potential Selke guy Cirelli unless it's massive over-pay and Dumba isn't that. Obviously need to get over your fascination with Cirelli. because he's not going to Minnesota period.

Who hurt you?

Did you stub your toe before writing this?

Just stating pure fact? Cirelli isn't getting traded and it was already reported that he wont sign any offer sheets. He loves Tampa and will take less to stay here.

No but it's pure fact. Just saying.

If Dumba is Nylander+ to this guy, I'd hate to see his thoughts on a Nylander for Cirelli trade..

Can you provide a reputable source for where he said he won't sign an offer sheet? This is the first I'm hearing of that

I think you need to reassess what "fact" means. What you're saying is pure conjecture, we don't know what Tampa plans to do with Cirelli

So the wild retain half his salary for the next 3 seasons? Don't really know how much sense that makes.
Tampa needs to shed salary so they can sign their RFA's, not trade one of their best away.
If Minny wants to deal Dumba, they could get a sweet return for him that doesn't include any retention. one bad season doesn't make a career. this guy has shown he is capable of being a top pairing guy

Dude this is Armchair GM. Feel free to disagree and mock all you want but no need to freak out. In the words of Aaron Rodgers, R-E-L-A-X

Yeah it's not the smartest trade in the world, that's for sure. I'm operating under the assumption that it's going to be really challenging for Tampa to move their players with big contracts since all of them have full blown NTC's. But even under that assumption this trade is flawed since they're still taking $3M in cap space with Dumba half retained.

I think Tampa's issues are gonna be the most interesting story when the offseason starts. Ive said this before on here, but if they want to retain Cirelli, Sergachev and Cernak they are going to have to move at least 2 of Johnson, Palat, Gourde and Killorn. All, like you said, with some form of NTC. Even if they get the RFA's on team friendly deals, they'll need to clear some space and hope they can find value in UFA's for a mill and/or ELC's

100% agree.
Which of the 1 of the 3 RFAs will Tampa keep in your opinon?

That's so tough. I think they'll definitely retain Cernak since hell be the cheapest, he's a RD which they need, and he can play in the top 4. Tampa will have a fantastic forward core with or without Cirelli and Sergachev is stuck behind Hedman and McDonagh (although maybe he plays on his off-side). If I really had to guess, unless Cirelli and Serg pull a Labanc, those two are gone. I just don't see any way they can keep both unless BriseBoise goes full wizard and moves two of their big contract players.

I think it will be Cernak that is gone.
He will have many suitors too.

Cirelli I think will get offer sheeted.


I think some magic will happen where 1 or the bad contracts gets shipped out and they manage to keep Sergachev because of it.

Exactly I agree with you man, everyone knows the situation Tampa is in and thier not taking players like Killorn, Johnson, Gourde, and Palat unless if it is very favourable to them, their is also a lot of teams in a cap crunch who can't even take these players. Quite honestly if GM's were smart Cirelli in particular is as good as gone in my opinion

Yeah, that's the main thing. The players will influence the trade with where they're willing to go and then the teams they're allowed to be traded to will need to have the cap space. Not many teams can absorb a $5m contract, so it's going to be tough.

I would say that Sergachev should be their #1 priority. He has the capability to be a top Dman in this league.
that being said Cirelli is developing into an elite 2 way C in the template of Bergeron (high praise).
Cernak has the least value, but is super important

He’s a redwings fan, he’s been butt-hurt for a few years now, cut him some slack.

You could just offer up Kaprizov (who you didn't sign) for Cirelli. Maybe add Donato (half retained) for Killorn? It could be Greenway and not Donato, but I think Donato is a better fit for TB.

Didn't sign him since we don't know the situation yet. I'd rather have Kap than Cirelli. I know it sounds crazy since Kaprizov hasn't played in the NHL but I think his potential is to great. I'd do it in a Point trade but not for Cirelli

You have to give to get, and Kaprizov is about the only thing MN has that would work for TB and their cap space.

I'd rather have the center than the wing. Cirelli/JEE as the top-2 centers would be a nightmare to play against. MN wouldn't even have to worry about matching up against other teams' top lines.

Well sounds like Eichel may ask for a trade...

Watch he'll end up in CHI somehow...

MN doesn't have what BUF needs really. Brodin is a rental, Dumba is the same as Risto. They don't have a center to send back to offset the loss of Eichel for BUF.