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    25 mai 2020 à 17 h 50
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    No, he’s awful defensively. I think EDM should trade for saad to play with McDavid
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    25 mai 2020 à 17 h 56
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    No.
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    25 mai 2020 à 17 h 57
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    bear wouldn't sign that deal
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    25 mai 2020 à 18 h 0
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    Quoting: Isles777
    No, he’s awful defensively. I think EDM should trade for saad to play with McDavid


    That would make sense except Hawks are going to easily move Saad. There have been a half dozen teams or more trying to get Chicago to move Saad for the last two TDLs and last offseason. Chicago is wanting a minimum of a 1st round pick plus a role player or good prospect as it has been reported. Teams have offered a 1st and Chicago has turned them down.
    25 mai 2020 à 18 h 3
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    That would make sense except Hawks are going to easily move Saad. There have been a half dozen teams or more trying to get Chicago to move Saad for the last two TDLs and last offseason. Chicago is wanting a minimum of a 1st round pick plus a role player or good prospect as it has been reported. Teams have offered a 1st and Chicago has turned them down.


    What do you think the plan is with saad? Re-sign him, let him walk, trade him before the deadline?
    25 mai 2020 à 18 h 7
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    I think so, he is fast and has a good shot.
    25 mai 2020 à 18 h 10
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    What do you think the plan is with saad? Re-sign him, let him walk, trade him before the deadline?


    If the Hawks are out of the playoffs next TDL then they will likely look to trade Saad I'm guessing. If he's on pace for 30 goals again and playing like he did this season, then he'll get a fair amount at the TDL. If the Hawks are in the playoff race whether they make it or not, they will re-sign him. I wouldn't be surprised if they work out an extension for him during the season either. He's loved by his teammates and considered part of the core so to speak, but this is a business obviously so anything can happen.

    I think the most important part of all this is who do they protect up front from the expansion draft? Obviously Dach and Kubalik will be exempt, but Debrincat, Strome, Nylander will likely get protected and by rule Kane and Toews. That's 5 players, 2 more will get protected...if they extend Saad then he will be one, but maybe they wait till the expansion draft and let Saad be a UFA not to waste one of the protected spots and re-sign Saad as a UFA? Not quite sure how it will playout.
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    25 mai 2020 à 18 h 20
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    Hoffman is a younger James Neal
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    25 mai 2020 à 18 h 39
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    Hoffman is a younger James Neal


    This^ is so true though
    25 mai 2020 à 18 h 40
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    Quoting: Isles777
    No, he’s awful defensively. I think EDM should trade for saad to play with McDavid


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    No.


    Hoffman would be an excellent fit next to mcdavid. he has an incredible shot and would score 30+ goals on Edmonton.
    25 mai 2020 à 18 h 46
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    Hoffman would be an excellent fit next to mcdavid. he has an incredible shot and would score 30+ goals on Edmonton.


    *If he can get on the PP... He's not good at 5v5
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    25 mai 2020 à 18 h 50
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    Quoting: mhockey91
    Hoffman would be an excellent fit next to mcdavid. he has an incredible shot and would score 30+ goals on Edmonton.


    He’ll score goals - but this doesn’t move the oilers any closer to winning a cup. McDavid, draisaitl , and athanasiou are all terrible defensively, adding Hoffman would make them a fun team to watch but they’ll never make it past the 2nd round with those 4 in the lineup.

    If you look at teams like Vegas , St. Louis, Boston - most of their forwards are committed to playing defense and that’s why they’re successful.
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    25 mai 2020 à 19 h 16
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    *If he can get on the PP... He's not good at 5v5


    51 of his 87 goals have come at ES over the last 3 years. He's also 60th among all forwards over the last 3 years in ES goals.
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    25 mai 2020 à 19 h 39
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    No, he’s awful defensively. I think EDM should trade for saad to play with McDavid


    Nah. Killorn is just as good, cheaper and probably won't cost as much to acquire.
    25 mai 2020 à 19 h 47
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    51 of his 87 goals have come at ES over the last 3 years. He's also 60th among all forwards over the last 3 years in ES goals.


    Sheeesh, that's down there (60th) - doesn't sound like the "Six Million Dollar Man!"
    25 mai 2020 à 19 h 47
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    I don't think Hoffman is a great fit, I like the suggestions of a guy with a defensive conscience who can score goals. Being exceptionally fast isn't the prerequisite for success many people think it is.
    25 mai 2020 à 20 h 3
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    51 of his 87 goals have come at ES over the last 3 years. He's also 60th among all forwards over the last 3 years in ES goals.


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    *If he can get on the PP... He's not good at 5v5


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    Sheeesh, that's down there (60th) - doesn't sound like the "Six Million Dollar Man!"


    Hoffman is 121st in points at 5v5 over the past 3 years and 193rd by P/60. That's not good.
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    25 mai 2020 à 20 h 27
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    If you keep Hoffman’s girlfriend from any of connors lady friends
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    25 mai 2020 à 20 h 28
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    Hoffman is 121st in points at 5v5 over the past 3 years and 193rd by P/60. That's not good.


    And horrendous defensively
    25 mai 2020 à 21 h 4
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    Sheeesh, that's down there (60th) - doesn't sound like the "Six Million Dollar Man!"


    Top 60 among all forwards lol...if you figure 3 forwards per line and 31 teams, the top 93 are first line producers in whatever category you're looking at.
    25 mai 2020 à 21 h 57
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    Top 60 among all forwards lol...if you figure 3 forwards per line and 31 teams, the top 93 are first line producers in whatever category you're looking at.


    Good observation...
    In reality, I think he can definitely be an X-factor on a lot of teams but Cap hit/age is crucial in a post-COVID NHL...
    And hey, even a pylon probably 'nets 30' by US Thanksgiving with McDavid; booyah!
    25 mai 2020 à 22 h 19
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    Good observation...
    In reality, I think he can definitely be an X-factor on a lot of teams but Cap hit/age is crucial in a post-COVID NHL...
    And hey, even a pylon probably 'nets 30' by US Thanksgiving with McDavid; booyah!


    LOL you'd think, but its not the case. In the last 3 seasons, the top 5 linemates for McDavid at 5v5

    Leon
    Kassian
    RNH
    Maroon
    Lucic

    Leon and RNH are definitely not pylons and the other 3 never netted 30 goals playing with McDavid.
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    26 mai 2020 à 11 h 0
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    Hoffman over the last years ranks T-117th in 5v5 scoring. Some interesting names around the same totals (say +/- 5pts)...

    Brock Boeser
    Bo Horvat
    Anthony Mantha
    James Van Riemsdyk
    Tomas Hertl
    Clayton Keller
    Max Pacioretty
    Vladimir Tarasenko
    Elias Pettersson

    Yes he's not good defensively, but there are 3 other lines and an entire defense to be more defensive minded. The guy's G/GP over the last 6 years puts him at a 30 goal scorer over 82 games. Put him with McDavid and I wouldn't be shocked to see him pot 40 goals.
    26 mai 2020 à 11 h 25
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    Quoting: ON3M4N
    Hoffman over the last years ranks T-117th in 5v5 scoring. Some interesting names around the same totals (say +/- 5pts)...

    Brock Boeser
    Bo Horvat
    Anthony Mantha
    James Van Riemsdyk
    Tomas Hertl
    Clayton Keller
    Max Pacioretty
    Vladimir Tarasenko
    Elias Pettersson

    Yes he's not good defensively, but there are 3 other lines and an entire defense to be more defensive minded. The guy's G/GP over the last 6 years puts him at a 30 goal scorer over 82 games. Put him with McDavid and I wouldn't be shocked to see him pot 40 goals.


    That's a solid list but no UFAs to rival Hoffman. Scorers usually know how to do that really well game in game out.
    Many listed are going to/are currently getting paid now more than the US$6M proposed for MH.

    Hoffman is a good target and is likely someone Holland has on a short list.
    BUT:
    * Hefty salary on EDM needs to be shed first, he will be 31 start of next season, contract term OK to 35yrs, it's within a legit window for EDM, and he has good hands and wheels; for now...!
    26 mai 2020 à 11 h 46
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    That's a solid list but no UFAs to rival Hoffman. Scorers usually know how to do that really well game in game out.
    Many listed are going to/are currently getting paid now more than the US$6M proposed for MH.

    Hoffman is a good target and is likely someone Holland has on a short list.
    BUT:
    * Hefty salary on EDM needs to be shed first, he will be 31 start of next season, contract term OK to 35yrs, it's within a legit window for EDM, and he has good hands and wheels; for now...!


    Ya, I haven't really been focusing on the contract, just if he'd be a good fit w/ McDavid. It would take some work on EDM side to fit him in. You're right though, he fits the window and has good hands and wheels. Maybe the hands start to go towards the end and he loses some speed, but barring a huge leg injury I can't imagine he'd drop off a lot. If they structured the deal right, maybe years 4-5 he carries lower actual money and he's more movable.
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