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Dumba Scenario 20 I sent people down for cap reasons

Créé par: ivan092033
Publié: 24 mai 2020 à 14 h 21
Plafond salarial: 84 000 000 $
Journées à la saison: 186/186 (100%)
Détermination du registraire central: Cette transaction a rempli les différents critères exigés par le registraire central de la LNH.

Logo de Wild du MinnesotaWild du Minnesota

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Dumba, MattWild du MinnesotaLNH50%3 000 000 $111---0000--
Choix de 6e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Wild du MinnesotaMIN)---001------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Johnsson, AndreasMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-3 400 000 $111---0000--
Dermott, TravisMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-0 $111---0000--
Lehtonen, MikkoExempté du ballottageMaple Leafs de TorontoMineures-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Maple Leafs de TorontoTOR)---100------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial6 879 745 $214664124
Variation-400 000 $12210-1
Final6 479 745 $ (↓)22 (↑)48 (↑)66 (↑)2 (↑)23 (↓)000

Logo de Maple Leafs de TorontoMaple Leafs de Toronto

La transaction a eu lieu alors que la LTIR est utilisée
Allègement provenant de la liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR): 14 875 000 $
Portion de la LTIR utilisée avant la transaction: 14 782 706 $
Transaction simultanéeStatut initialNouveau statutImpact sur la masse salarialeFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Andersen, FrederikLNHMineures-1 075 000 $-1-----------
Rielly, MorganLNHMineures-1 075 000 $-1-----------
Tavares, JohnLNHMineures-1 075 000 $-1-----------
Johnsson, AndreasLTIRLNH0 $1-----------
Mikheyev, IlyaLTIRLNH0 $1-----------
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Johnsson, AndreasMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-3 400 000 $111---0000--
Dermott, TravisMaple Leafs de TorontoLNH-0 $111---0000--
Lehtonen, MikkoExempté du ballottageMaple Leafs de TorontoMineures-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Maple Leafs de TorontoTOR)---100------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Dumba, MattWild du MinnesotaLNH50%3 000 000 $111---0000--
Choix de 6e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Wild du MinnesotaMIN)---001------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial-3 307 706 $234866124
Variation3 625 000 $-2-2-2-101
Final317 294 $ (↑)21 (↓)46 (↓)64 (↓)0 (↓)25 (↑)000
24 mai 2020 à 14 h 22
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Dumba scenario 2.0 not 20
24 mai 2020 à 14 h 49
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If you can convince Dubas that the first isn't gonna be high because this team is gonna stomp. (which I think is the case) You could pull this off. I like it. 9/10
24 mai 2020 à 15 h 46
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Quoting: reelkena
If you can convince Dubas that the first isn't gonna be high because this team is gonna stomp. (which I think is the case) You could pull this off. I like it. 9/10


I disagree completely that the Leafs could pull this off, highly doubt Guerin takes this package. For one, we have zero need for more wingers since we have 10 top 9 wings with Kaprizov coming. For two, the whole reason we'd trade Dumba is because we have too many top 4 D, we don't need Lehtonen or Dermott. Finally, our owner wants to contend every year and making a trade for a 2021 pick does not accomplish that. I was honestly shocked he let Guerin move Zucker for a first this year.

The Wild need centers desperately and by all reports the ask for Dumba at the trade deadline was a top line center or a top 6 center + at the trade deadline. The Leafs (obviously) aren't moving Matthews or Tavares (and especially not for Dumba), so there isn't a trade to be made between the Wild and the Leafs unless a third team is involved and we end up with a good center.
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24 mai 2020 à 15 h 52
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Quoting: TanSor
I disagree completely that the Leafs could pull this off, highly doubt Guerin takes this package. For one, we have zero need for more wingers since we have 10 top 9 wings with Kaprizov coming. For two, the whole reason we'd trade Dumba is because we have too many top 4 D, we don't need Lehtonen or Dermott. Finally, our owner wants to contend every year and making a trade for a 2021 pick does not accomplish that. I was honestly shocked he let Guerin move Zucker for a first this year.

The Wild need centers desperately and by all reports the ask for Dumba at the trade deadline was a top line center or a top 6 center + at the trade deadline. The Leafs (obviously) aren't moving Matthews or Tavares (and especially not for Dumba), so there isn't a trade to be made between the Wild and the Leafs unless a third team is involved and we end up with a good center.


Holy ****, a reasonable rebuttal that goes against what I thought. I will look into Min's needs and reevaluate my position. Take notes other people. Disagreeing with reasons is better than "nope, not doing this" all the time.
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24 mai 2020 à 15 h 56
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Does this mean Dumba is only getting traded as a piece for a better player if you dont need forwards defense or picks?
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Quoting: reelkena
Holy ****, a reasonable rebuttal that goes against what I thought. I will look into Min's needs and reevaluate my position. Take notes other people. Disagreeing with reasons is better than "nope, not doing this" all the time.


Our biggest needs are a good center and possibly goaltending. We have great blue liners (Suter, Spurgeon, Brodin, Dumba, and Soucy all belong in the top 4) and good but not great wingers aside from Fiala and potentially Kaprizov. Koivu will most likely retire so right now we're looking at 1 year of Staal, Eriksson Ek (who is good but more of a defensive middle 6 C), Rask (belongs in the AHL), and Sturm (probably our 4C next year). Not exactly an inspiring group, lol.

Also I didn't mean to come off as an ass but rereading my comment I kind of did, so my apologies. I'm just a little sick of all the Toronto threads where we get some combination of Kapanen/Johnsson/Dermott, Kerfoot, and another add like a pick.
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Quoting: reelkena
Does this mean Dumba is only getting traded as a piece for a better player if you dont need forwards defense or picks?


Potentially, I guess it depends on how good you think Dumba is. I do think we only move him for a center, or for a package of something like a first this year and a really promising center prospect that's nearly NHL ready. A lot of Leafs fans think he's a #4/5D that can't defend for his life but that's not the case at all. He had a rough year this year but it was completely in his head. Dumba's problem is he needs to be scoring in order to be good in his own zone. When he's not scoring he forces plays and makes bad reads which causes him to look bad (much like Gardiner did). When he's producing, he's a really good two-way player and belongs on the top pairing but his value is at an all-time low after the season he had.
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Potentially, I guess it depends on how good you think Dumba is. I do think we only move him for a center, or for a package of something like a first this year and a really promising center prospect that's nearly NHL ready. A lot of Leafs fans think he's a #4/5D that can't defend for his life but that's not the case at all. He had a rough year this year but it was completely in his head. Dumba's problem is he needs to be scoring in order to be good in his own zone. When he's not scoring he forces plays and makes bad reads which causes him to look bad (much like Gardiner did). When he's producing, he's a really good two-way player and belongs on the top pairing but his value is at an all-time low after the season he had.


Toronto just doesn't have these pieces to move. I think both teams should look elsewhere. Anyone who says that about Dumba is kidding themselves and your comments seemed perfectly fine. Maybe you should post a Dumba trade to a different team.
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I disagree completely that the Leafs could pull this off, highly doubt Guerin takes this package. For one, we have zero need for more wingers since we have 10 top 9 wings with Kaprizov coming. For two, the whole reason we'd trade Dumba is because we have too many top 4 D, we don't need Lehtonen or Dermott. Finally, our owner wants to contend every year and making a trade for a 2021 pick does not accomplish that. I was honestly shocked he let Guerin move Zucker for a first this year.

The Wild need centers desperately and by all reports the ask for Dumba at the trade deadline was a top line center or a top 6 center + at the trade deadline. The Leafs (obviously) aren't moving Matthews or Tavares (and especially not for Dumba), so there isn't a trade to be made between the Wild and the Leafs unless a third team is involved and we end up with a good center.


I mean that makes sense but Guerin can always flip them if he wants to. He can get more assets on defense where they need more help.
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Quoting: ivan092033
I mean that makes sense but Guerin can always flip them if he wants to. He can get more assets on defense where they need more help.


Teams generally want quality over quantity. It's a lot easier to trade a great defenseman for a center over some complimentary players and a first. Plus, why go through the trouble of trading Dumba for this then flipping this for a center when we could just trade Dumba for a center...
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Teams generally want quality over quantity. It's a lot easier to trade a great defenseman for a center over some complimentary players and a first. Plus, why go through the trouble of trading Brodin for this then flipping this for a center when we could just trade Brodin for a center...


Fair enough but Toronto specifically has to give those guys up since they don't have anything else of value that takes on a small-medium sized contract other than Johnsson and Kapanen
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Fair enough but Toronto specifically has to give those guys up since they don't have anything else of value that takes on a small-medium sized contract other than Johnsson and Kapanen


And this is exactly why there's isn't a trade to be made between the Wild and Leafs. The Wild need a top 6 center and the two the Leafs have are far more valuable than Dumba/Brodin. Even if you think Nylander can play C like I do, he's more valuable than Dumba and Brodin.
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And this is exactly why there's isn't a trade to be made between the Wild and Leafs. The Wild need a top 6 center and the two the Leafs have are far more valuable than Dumba/Brodin. Even if you think Nylander can play C like I do, he's more valuable than Dumba and Brodin.


So u think Dumba and the Leafs are not a match?
24 mai 2020 à 22 h 5
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So u think Dumba and the Leafs are not a match?


I think Dumba is great for the Leafs, they just don't have/(rightfully) aren't willing to give up the assets we need in return for him.
 
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