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Liljegren vs Duszak

Créé par: MG1986
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 22 mai 2020
Publié: 22 mai 2020
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Count me in the corner of fans eager to see more of Joseph Duszak.

Had the Leafs be in a more rebuilding position, I could envision a scenario where, in the next few years, we would see both Timothy Liljegren and Joseph Duszak get a significant shot at cracking the Leafs' roster and staying on it.

However, that's not the Leafs' situation. As a team trying to get into win-now mode, assets count when it comes to both depth and potential trade targets. In a perfect world, you'd see both Liljegren and Duszak on the Leafs at some point in 2020-21, but how realistic is that?

Liljegren is the better prospect, the better all-round skater and the better defensive defender of the two. He has been developing with the Marlies for 3 years now, which makes him the more NHL-ready (potentially) of the two prospects. As far as prospects go, his stock his high.

Duszak, in my opinion, is underrated. Watching him after getting called up by the Marlies (he started the season in the ECHL where he completed dominated), was awesome. He's a good skater and has good offensive skills. As you can imagine, he still has things to work on defensively. At 5'10, he is also a few inches shorter than Liljegren, which shouldn't matter in this day and age, but I will add here just for those that like to know. Coming from the NCAA after last season, he had 3 years there to develop, and as we know from other prospects, the NCAA is a great place for defenders to develop.

So my question is, if the Leafs had the opportunity to acquire a top-4 defender this offseason, but the cost was partly Liljegren, would you be okay with it, knowing that Joseph Duszak was perhaps a year or 2 still away?

Having watched Liljegren play in the NHL, though it was a small sample size, I thought he looked alright. Though, a 2020-21 featuring sophmore Sandin, plus Liljegren (who I guess aged out of his rookie status) and Lehtonen has me a little concerned.

My preference would be to parlay Liljegren into a top-4 defender, though it would take other assets as well, and have Duszak continue his development in the AHL (who hopefully have a season next year).

As always, let me know your thoughts. Stay safe.
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22 mai 2020 à 17 h 8
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The difference between Liljegren and Duszak is astronomical. Trading Liljegren is not in plans unless they get that great D back they need and want. They see that D in Liljegren. He is barely 21yo. He is gonna be top-4 D soon. He is basically untouchable in eyes of the Leafs. Duszak is very nice offensive prospect, but the most he would be is top pairing AHL D with few stints in NHL on 3rd pairing. He would be a nice depth asset in bigger trade
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22 mai 2020 à 17 h 20
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Lily will be just another Leaf Dman prospect named Anton Stalman, lost in the shuffle than gets free to become a success story, just with another team.
22 mai 2020 à 17 h 33
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The difference between Liljegren and Duszak is astronomical. Trading Liljegren is not in plans unless they get that great D back they need and want. They see that D in Liljegren. He is barely 21yo. He is gonna be top-4 D soon. He is basically untouchable in eyes of the Leafs. Duszak is very nice offensive prospect, but the most he would be is top pairing AHL D with few stints in NHL on 3rd pairing. He would be a nice depth asset in bigger trade


Have you actually watched Duszak play in the AHL? He reminds me a lot of Ian White. I think Duszak will one day be a solid NHL defender. As for Liljegren, my point is, if the Leafs could parlay him, say him and a 2nd rounder for Phillipe Myers, would the Leafs (and in this case, the Leaf fans) do it. There are other young defenders, in my opinion, that fit the need of this team more than Liljegren. Knowing that there is decent defensive depth in the minors is a bonus, especially on the right side.
22 mai 2020 à 17 h 38
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Have you actually watched Duszak play in the AHL? He reminds me a lot of Ian White. I think Duszak will one day be a solid NHL defender. As for Liljegren, my point is, if the Leafs could parlay him, say him and a 2nd rounder for Phillipe Myers, would the Leafs (and in this case, the Leaf fans) do it. There are other young defenders, in my opinion, that fit the need of this team more than Liljegren. Knowing that there is decent defensive depth in the minors is a bonus, especially on the right side.


Of course I did. I watched him in university, in ECHL and in AHL. Myers was starting in AHL in Liljegrens 3rd AHL season. I dont think Leafs do that. Duszak is not gonna be NHL regular imo.
22 mai 2020 à 17 h 44
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Lilja by miles, I watched a ton of Duszak at Mercyhurst, I mean he stood out vs lowest level of NCAA D1 competition, but like you have to vs schools like RMU or Holy Cross just to get an AHL deal lol, he wasn't just so far above everyone that makes you think that kids gonna be a stud NHLer soon
22 mai 2020 à 17 h 46
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If Duszak can start by being a regular in the AHL first
22 mai 2020 à 18 h 0
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Liljergen easily but Iike the promise that Duszak shows, hopefully he continues to build on that.

Not interested in moving Liljergen right now.
22 mai 2020 à 20 h 42
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Have you actually watched Duszak play in the AHL? He reminds me a lot of Ian White. I think Duszak will one day be a solid NHL defender. As for Liljegren, my point is, if the Leafs could parlay him, say him and a 2nd rounder for Phillipe Myers, would the Leafs (and in this case, the Leaf fans) do it. There are other young defenders, in my opinion, that fit the need of this team more than Liljegren. Knowing that there is decent defensive depth in the minors is a bonus, especially on the right side.


If Phillipe Myers could be had for Liljegren and a 2nd, I'd probably take that for sure.
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Lily will be just another Leaf Dman prospect named Anton Stalman, lost in the shuffle than gets free to become a success story, just with another team.


Yeah Dubas has shown thats what he likes to do. He totally trades away young talent needlessly.
22 mai 2020 à 22 h 31
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Yeah Dubas has shown thats what he likes to do. He totally trades away young talent needlessly.


The Leafs should still have Zaitsev. Problem solve.
22 mai 2020 à 23 h 26
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The Leafs should still have Zaitsev. Problem solve.


What does it solve apart from having a contract that should be bought out.
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What does it solve apart from having a contract that should be bought out.


Yes, my point exactly, building success the Edmonton Oilers way.
23 mai 2020 à 4 h 39
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Yeah Dubas has shown thats what he likes to do. He totally trades away young talent needlessly.


Not so much about the trading, as it about the contract negotiations under Dubas. This team easily could have saved $4 million + AAV a season negotiating post-ELC deals in the way that so many other GMs, and good GMs, often do it. $4 million may not seem like much, but in a flat cap scenario like the ones all NHL teams are facing this offseason, it becomes a significantly bigger deal. Also, that resulted directly in Connor Brown's departure, and I always loved the way Brown played, even if he wasn't going to playing top line minutes, as he was doing this year in Ottawa.
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If Phillipe Myers could be had for Liljegren and a 2nd, I'd probably take that for sure.


I'd argue that because Myers is up for a post-ELC deal, and the fact Liljegren is basically NHL-ready, Leafs and Philly would make the deal one-for-one, even though I am sure Flyers fans won't agree. In my honest opinion, with the pieces the Flyers currently have on D, I think Liljegren fits in better with their system than he does to what Toronto needs.
23 mai 2020 à 10 h 50
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Not so much about the trading, as it about the contract negotiations under Dubas. This team easily could have saved $4 million + AAV a season negotiating post-ELC deals in the way that so many other GMs, and good GMs, often do it. $4 million may not seem like much, but in a flat cap scenario like the ones all NHL teams are facing this offseason, it becomes a significantly bigger deal. Also, that resulted directly in Connor Brown's departure, and I always loved the way Brown played, even if he wasn't going to playing top line minutes, as he was doing this year in Ottawa.


No, he couldn't have easily saved 4 million and it doesn't matter either. Matthews, Marner and JT all make those around them better. Marner scoring 100 points a year is money well spent. It's the other contracts that GM's screw up all the time. Paying secondary players way too much. People on here said Kapanen was going to get 5+, like Wilson. Contracts like that kill you because those players don't contribute enough to warrant the money. Dubas doesn't do that.
 
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