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RHD Are Expensive

Créé par: Leafsin20
Date de création initiale: mai 21, 2020
Publié: May 21 at 4:12 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
I wanted to do retained salary with Andersson but couldn't figure out how
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis22 400 000 $
Mikheyev, Ilya11 200 000 $
Gauthier, Frédérik1700 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1700 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Andersson, Rasmus
CGY
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
Enfoui
  • Justin Holl: 925 000 $ (2 000 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $83 433 533 $0 $0 $-1 933 533 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
850 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 200 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
700 000 $
C
RFA
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
CGY
Andersson, Rasmus
4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 6
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
2 400 000 $
DG
RFA

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21 mai à 16 h 13
#1
KFTW
Rejoint: jui 2018
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Not enough. Would probably have to be a deal centered around Nylander and Andersson
FlamesFan1057, SevenLeg, Ledge_And_Dairy and 4 others a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 16
#2
Wqrrior
Rejoint: fév 2019
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Quoting: csick
Not enough. Would probably have to be a deal centered around Nylander and Andersson


kapanen is far less valuable than leafs fans will admit to. I'd say Andersson is worth slightly less than Nylander, but that would be what starts trade talks here.
SevenLeg, sedin33, FlamesFan1057 and 4 others a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 18
#3
Romanov Our Savior
Rejoint: fév 2019
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And there's no incentive for CGY to retain for 6 years
FlamesFan1057, SociallyHawkward, OldNYIfan and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 21
#4
Rejoint: aoû 2019
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Quoting: csick
Not enough. Would probably have to be a deal centered around Nylander and Andersson


nylander>andersson ainec
21 mai à 16 h 22
#5
CGY
Rejoint: déc 2015
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That is an absolute steal for Andersson.

Leaf fans need to get past the idea that they can get a RHD without losing something big
SociallyHawkward, OldNYIfan, ChiHawk and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 24
#6
Rejoint: jan 2020
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Not enough for Andersson. Also to retain you click on the little plus sign to the right of the players name after you've added them to the trade. You then enter the amount (as in number, not percentage) that you want to be retained.
OldNYIfan et ChiHawk a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 28
#7
Hugh Hefner of CF
Rejoint: mai 2018
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Dont see Flames agreeing to this.
OldNYIfan, ChiHawk et Pmwalker a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 31
#8
Rejoint: jun 2019
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Awful for Calgary, start with Nylander or go away
OldNYIfan et ChiHawk a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 32
#9
Rejoint: aoû 2019
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Awful for Calgary, start with Nylander or go away


how in the world does it "start" with nylander
21 mai à 16 h 36
#10
Rejoint: jun 2019
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Quoting: vr1995
how in the world does it "start" with nylander


Because Andersson is the only RD under contract for Calgary next year. You want Treliving to pick up the phone you better have pne pf your big 4 on the table. Kapanen doesnt hold a candle to Andersson.
mhockey91 et OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 40
#11
Rejoint: aoû 2019
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Because Andersson is the only RD under contract for Calgary next year. You want Treliving to pick up the phone you better have pne pf your big 4 on the table. Kapanen doesnt hold a candle to Andersson.


ok and i get that, but andersson isnt close to nylander, not close at all, if you wanna say its because of calgarsy rhd situation sure, but dont try so spin this the way of andersson and nylander being in the same convo, nylander would start with andersson, not the other way around
21 mai à 16 h 44
#12
Rejoint: jun 2019
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Quoting: vr1995
ok and i get that, but andersson isnt close to nylander


Sounds like a matter of opinion and a lack of knowledge on who Rasmus Andersson is. Hes a lot closer to Nylander then he is to Kapanen, especially retained on an already sweetheart contract
Barilko14, SociallyHawkward, bunzy1034 and 3 others a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 45
#13
Barilko14
Rejoint: mai 2015
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Quoting: vr1995
nylander>andersson ainec


Quoting: ItWasIn
That is an absolute steal for Andersson.

Leaf fans need to get past the idea that they can get a RHD without losing something big


Nylander does hold more value then Andersson.

But where's the incentive for Calgary to move Andersson in the trade proposed here? What's harder to find a 23 yo competent 2-way RHD or a 23 yo 50ish pt RW?

Calgary is in way worse shape then the Leafs at RHD if they make this move, so in order to get Calgary interested, Nylander would have to be a part of this trade.

Considering I'm a big Nylander fan, I'd prefer Leafs go with what they have or explore cheaper options for RHD.
LeafsFanForSomeReason, NerveFWC, OldNYIfan and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 16 h 51
#14
Rejoint: jan 2020
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Quoting: Barilko14
Nylander does hold more value then Andersson.

But where's the incentive for Calgary to move Andersson in the trade proposed here? What's harder to find a 23 yo competent 2-way RHD or a 23 yo 50ish pt RW?

Calgary is in way worse shape then the Leafs at RHD if they make this move, so in order to get Calgary interested, Nylander would have to be a part of this trade.

Considering I'm a big Nylander fan, I'd prefer Leafs go with what they have or explore cheaper options for RHD.


Basically what you said. This trade doesn't make sense for Calgary, but that doesn't make Nylander a reasonable request.
21 mai à 16 h 51
#15
Rejoint: aoû 2019
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Sounds like a matter of opinion and a lack of knowledge on who Rasmus Andersson is. Hes a lot closer to Nylander then he is to Kapanen, especially retained on an already sweetheart contract


i havent mentioned kapanens name once, people including yourself said starts with nylander, implying that it would take more than nylander which is absurd
21 mai à 16 h 52
#16
Rejoint: mai 2019
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If the leafs get another Rasmus, I can already hear the TSN guys. “Do the Leafs have the best Rasmus duo defenseman?”
21 mai à 16 h 54
#17
MisstheWhalers
Rejoint: jan 2019
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Teams rarely retain on fair value contracts that have term left, I can't think of one actually, maybe a two year remaining at the TDL it's happened but I really can't think of any others so that can be ruled out altogether imo.

Kapanen alone doesn't get Andersson, the Flames would have zero interest in trading him without an overpay and Kapanen alone isn't an overpay.
mhockey91 et OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 17 h 00
#18
Rejoint: nov 2017
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Well, good ones are more expensive than Kasperi Kapanen.
21 mai à 17 h 02
#19
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Quoting: vr1995
i havent mentioned kapanens name once, people including yourself said starts with nylander, implying that it would take more than nylander which is absurd


The trade we are talking about is for kapanen. Hence why his name has been mentioned. I mean...
21 mai à 17 h 04
#20
Rejoint: aoû 2019
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
The trade we are talking about is for kapanen. Hence why his name has been mentioned. I mean...


really? he said start with nylander or go away, which is what i replied to, not sure why youre stepping in when you dont know whats being argued lol, good try
21 mai à 17 h 06
#21
Rejoint: nov 2017
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Quoting: vr1995
really? he said start with nylander or go away, which is what i replied to, not sure why youre stepping in when you dont know whats being argued lol, good try


The trade this entire thread about is Kapanen for Andersson. Hence why he is being invoked. People are saying Andersson for Nylander is more fair than Andersson for Kapanen.

Reading is hard.
OldNYIfan et ChiHawk a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 17 h 09
#22
Rejoint: aoû 2019
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
The trade this entire thread about is Kapanen for Andersson. Hence why he is being invoked. People are saying Andersson for Nylander is more fair than Andersson for Kapanen.

Reading is hard.


no they are not saying that, when they say it starts with nylander or go away, which means nylander would have to be invloved at the very least, literally the first comment in this thread mentions nylander, reading is hard i guess when nylander got brought up thats when i answered, no need to be a whiny little girl about it
21 mai à 17 h 14
#23
Rejoint: jun 2019
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Quoting: vr1995
i havent mentioned kapanens name once, people including yourself said starts with nylander, implying that it would take more than nylander which is absurd


Thats actually your jump to conclusion. For any conversation to happen arounder Andersson, Dubas has to start by saying Nylander. Then balance it from there with like Liljegren, Dube and Flames 2020 2nd or something
OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.
21 mai à 17 h 16
#24
Rejoint: aoû 2019
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Thats actually your jump to conclusion. For any conversation to happen arounder Andersson, Dubas has to start by saying Nylander. Then balance it from there with like Liljegren, Dube and Flames 2020 2nd or something


whatever this is going nowhere, bottom line nylander>andersson
21 mai à 17 h 18
#25
Rejoint: jun 2019
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Quoting: vr1995
whatever this is going nowhere, bottom line nylander>andersson


Im not disagreeing with that, but I also dont think the gap is that big
 
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