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Créé par: truculence67
Équipe: 2020-21 Predators de Nashville
Date de création initiale: 19 mai 2020
Publié: 19 mai 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3800 000 $
3800 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
2800 000 $
1700 000 $
55 750 000 $
2900 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
66 500 000 $
24 000 000 $
2750 000 $
1725 000 $
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1.
NSH
  1. Neal, James
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (EDM)
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NSH
  1. Bryson, Jacob
  2. Mittelstadt, Casey [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (BUF)
BUF
  1. Johansen, Ryan
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NSH)
3.
NSH
  1. Domi, Max [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Montreal trades for Hertl
MTL
  1. Afanasyev, Egor
  2. Davies, Jeremy
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
Lower of the two firsts
Rachats de contrats
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AG
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
AD, C
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4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD, C, AG
UFA - 2
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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2 857 143 $2 857 143 $
C, AD
UFA - 6
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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9 059 000 $9 059 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
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6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 7
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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889 166 $889 166 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
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725 000 $725 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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733 333 $733 333 $
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19 mai 2020 à 15 h 9
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Why on earth would we trade Domi away for prospects or trade for Hertl? Hertl is a centre just like Domi, it’s completely useless to trade Domi away if we’re just getting a centre in return, especially if we need to add.
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 9
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I dont think buffalo can fit johansen in without sending salary back.
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19 mai 2020 à 15 h 15
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Why on earth would we trade Domi away for prospects or trade for Hertl? Hertl is a centre just like Domi, it’s completely useless to trade Domi away if we’re just getting a centre in return, especially if we need to add.


Hertl is a bona fide 1C, domi is not. Montreal is never going to be a true contender as long as they fill out their roster with middle six players. I honestly don’t think there is a single team in the league that would trade their three best players straight up for any three guys on the Canadiens. Maybe Minnesota.
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19 mai 2020 à 15 h 27
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I dont think buffalo can fit johansen in without sending salary back.


Would sending Johansson to Nashville be enough?
That'd be a great trade for Buffalo imo.
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19 mai 2020 à 15 h 28
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I think Nashville should be kicking something into the Edmonton trade, not the Oilers. Turris has a higher cap hit AND an extra year on his deal.
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19 mai 2020 à 15 h 28
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I dont think buffalo can fit johansen in without sending salary back.


Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I dont think buffalo can fit johansen in without sending salary back.


Agreed if Nashville retains 2 million per maybe buffalo does that deal or if Nashville takes Okposo and then gives a 3rd instead of a second
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 33
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I think Nashville should be kicking something into the Edmonton trade, not the Oilers. Turris has a higher cap hit AND an extra year on his deal.


No way. You have to account for the fact that Turris is still a very good, albeit expensive, 3C while Neal is basically a pp specialist at this point in his career. I made this trade because the buyout for Neal is slightly less punitive than for Turris. Edmonton avoids adding more dead salary to the books by buying out Neal and fills their 3C hole. The contract differences are marginal for Edmonton at this point
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 33
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Turris has a higher cap hit and an extra year on his deal. I would think Edmonton isn't interested unless nashville is retaining salary to make the cap hit even
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19 mai 2020 à 15 h 34
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I don't like any of this. I'll keep Turris before trading for/buying out Neal. BUF/MTL trades, meh. This team still has a middle 6 wing scoring problem if Tolvanen isn't NHL ready. Who do you protect in expansion if you sign Tanev? The Hoffman contract has Turris 2.0 written all over it.
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 34
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A late first and prospects at positions MTL doesn't need isn't likely to be accepted for Domi. Weirded things have happened but I wouldn't count on it.
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 37
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Would sending Johansson to Nashville be enough?
That'd be a great trade for Buffalo imo.


It would help in 2020-21, but not the other 4 years. Also johansson is good and Johansen has dropped off
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 41
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
It would help in 2020-21, but not the other 4 years. Also johansson is good and Johansen has dropped off


No way...it isn't good, mitts has potential to be a Johanson but better in a couple years, and we give up a first which is 2 much for him and Bryson
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 42
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Quoting: J2W
A late first and prospects at positions MTL doesn't need isn't likely to be accepted for Domi. Weirded things have happened but I wouldn't count on it.


Davies is an nhl-ready puck moving LHD. He’d slot in very well on Montreal’s third pair. Afanasyev is a fast 6’4” 200 lb winger who can also play center. Not really sure how these prospects don’t fit positional needs for Montreal.
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 50
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Davies is an nhl-ready puck moving LHD. He’d slot in very well on Montreal’s third pair. Afanasyev is a fast 6’4” 200 lb winger who can also play center. Not really sure how these prospects don’t fit positional needs for Montreal.


MTL has plenty of young C right now, and if they are trading for Hertl like your trade desription says then that's another. The fact that you are trying to use size as a selling point either means you can't sell Afanasyev based on his skill and potential, or that you think size somehow equals value. Either way he doesn't fill an organizational need so he doesn't move the needle much. MTL also has plenty of 3rd pairing LD what they need is a legit top pairing LD. They also have a nice pool of prospects at LD.
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 53
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No way. You have to account for the fact that Turris is still a very good, albeit expensive, 3C while Neal is basically a pp specialist at this point in his career. I made this trade because the buyout for Neal is slightly less punitive than for Turris. Edmonton avoids adding more dead salary to the books by buying out Neal and fills their 3C hole. The contract differences are marginal for Edmonton at this point


The extra year is huge. Turris isn't "still very good" and four years down the road he'll be much worse.
19 mai 2020 à 15 h 57
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I would rather just buy out Neal then take on Turris for 4 more years at 6M. The Neal buyout would only be 1.9M
19 mai 2020 à 16 h 17
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This is horrible for MTL
Even if we trade for Hertl, Danault will remain the 1C no matter what
19 mai 2020 à 16 h 46
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Why on earth would we trade Domi away for prospects or trade for Hertl? Hertl is a centre just like Domi, it’s completely useless to trade Domi away if we’re just getting a centre in return, especially if we need to add.


Hertl is better and cheaper for the time being
19 mai 2020 à 18 h 2
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Hertl is better and cheaper for the time being

Both are coming from career high last season, both are under .70 ppg in their career and Domi have been cheaper the past 2 season just to make thing clear.
19 mai 2020 à 18 h 2
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Turris has a higher cap hit and an extra year on his deal. I would think Edmonton isn't interested unless nashville is retaining salary to make the cap hit even


Nashville is saving $6.75M in this deal, that's certainly worth a pick or two. If they were to retain even part of that it would lower the value of the pick owed to Edmonton. What do you think? Turris with $1M retained ($4M total) + a 3rd for Neal? It still saves Nashville nearly $3M.
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19 mai 2020 à 18 h 13
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Both are coming from career high last season, both are under .70 ppg in their career and Domi have been cheaper the past 2 season just to make thing clear.


Has been, he won't be, he's coming in at 6/6.5 - and Hertl is better
19 mai 2020 à 18 h 28
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Has been, he won't be, he's coming in at 6/6.5 - and Hertl is better


No Hertl isn’t better! You have absolutely nothing to prove that point. You opinion is not a fact and in that case have no credibility at all. And have you speak with Bergevin or Pat Brisson?
19 mai 2020 à 18 h 50
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Nashville is saving $6.75M in this deal, that's certainly worth a pick or two. If they were to retain even part of that it would lower the value of the pick owed to Edmonton. What do you think? Turris with $1M retained ($4M total) + a 3rd for Neal? It still saves Nashville nearly $3M.


I don’t follow your math to be honest. But here’s my logic: Edmonton adds a mid-round pick to this deal because it saves them a buyout this year. Edmonton is going to have to buyout Neal to afford an upgrade at 3C unless they decide to go with a cheap FA like ennis or roll with an unproven rookie like marody. A 3C usually earns 3-4 million in salary. So Neal buyout (2mil) + 3C addition comes in at a slightly smaller cap hit than Turris. But Edmonton gives up way less for Turris in a trade than they would have to for other 3C options, and they avoid a buyout this year.
19 mai 2020 à 19 h 16
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
It would help in 2020-21, but not the other 4 years. Also johansson is good and Johansen has dropped off


But you'd solve your 2C issue for years and ya gotta think Johansen will rebound, even if he's overpaid it's really not by much considering Hayes is making $7M, really think there's something wrong in Nashville with their systems more so then a decline from some of their players. Also Johansen is signed through his prime, he'd be a great addition for the Sabres imo.
I really like Johansson but he's older and set to be a UFA, if he goes the other way to land a 2C then so be it.
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No way...it isn't good, mitts has potential to be a Johanson but better in a couple years, and we give up a first which is 2 much for him and Bryson


In a couple years, really the Sabres have a couple more years to wait? No they don't, they really need to make the playoffs and Johansen would help get them there, yeah you're trading a 1st but in this scenario you're getting a 2nd from the same draft so that helps and who cares about Bryson, every team has D prospects like him so so what, where would he fit on the Sabres D core anyway.
I think this trade would be a win for the Sabres as long as they can balance the cap when Dahlin needs a raise but by then hopefully Okposo is gone and that cap space is available.
19 mai 2020 à 19 h 23
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I don’t follow your math to be honest. But here’s my logic: Edmonton adds a mid-round pick to this deal because it saves them a buyout this year. Edmonton is going to have to buyout Neal to afford an upgrade at 3C unless they decide to go with a cheap FA like ennis or roll with an unproven rookie like marody. A 3C usually earns 3-4 million in salary. So Neal buyout (2mil) + 3C addition comes in at a slightly smaller cap hit than Turris. But Edmonton gives up way less for Turris in a trade than they would have to for other 3C options, and they avoid a buyout this year.


Yeah I think it'd be a good swap for both teams but especially Edmonton, they really need a 3C and Turris can still be effective.

I really think some fans get too hung up on the minor things like here with the extra year of term Turris has, it's 4 seasons from now, so much can and will likely change by then it probably won't matter and even if it does just deal with it later.

I'm a big fan of the bad signings swaps though so I'd love to see this trade happen.. Lol
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