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Looking at this team and some realistic trades

Créé par: SammyT_51
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 19 mai 2020
Publié: 19 mai 2020
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So.. Leafs bottom-4 on defense would likely look like Muzzin-Lehtonen, Sandin-Holl and we are yet to figure out who plays with Rielly. This is assumption but I think they want to see Dermott there. Dermott is not ready for that role tho. So they might easily trade him. And Sandin is not a sure lock on 3LD as well. All depends on training camp. He played in NHL just because of many injuries on defence. They have to make a decision there. It might as well be Dermott-Holl 3rd pairing and Gudas/Tanev sign for 1yr at 2-3M range. I think Sandin is ready for full time spot in the lineup tho.

Gudas or Tanev are both realistic options on the market and there have been interest in Gudas from Dubas now, Lou prior and generally from Leafs org. I know that for sure.. you can recoup assets from Dermott (picks/prospects/right shot D) and sign Gudas. Which would work. But also you have Kapanen/Johnsson as options to trade for that top-4 D. Frankly, I think either or both of them are gonna get traded. Not Kerfoot yet. He is exactly what you want in 3C even tho he had offensively underwhelming season.

Clifford is more than likely re-signing with Leafs on a contract at about 1-1.2M AAV. Guy loves it in Toronto (he said it). As for possible Gudas signing. It would make a lot of sense for player like that to take a 1yr/2M deal since the economics this year would not allow him to get big contract, and also he would play a considerably higher and better role which he would see as opportunity to showcase his skills for bigger contract later during expansion.

Bracco is gone this summer. There is no place for him. I believe Sharks are realistic place for guy like him. And a pick/prospect would likely be the value coming back. Maybe a prospect similar to him like Dahlen. Malgin would likely not continue with Leafs either. In case Leafs trade Kapanen, I can see them being involved in Puljujarvi sweepstakes. Guy has potential.. tons of potential actually.. but his trade value is really low. Which might benefit Leafs or other teams pursuing him.

Robertson would get a chance to play in couple of games next year, but I dont see him being full time NHLer yet. Unless Lehtonen stinks, Liljegren spends another year on Marlies where he would, again, carry that team around on his back defensively and develops his skillset further to transition into NHL as smoothly as possible.

Marlies:
Petan - Brooks - Korshkov
Agostino - Suomela - Bokk
Lorito - Kossila - Veronneau
O'Brien - MacMaster - Pooley
Clune - Elynuik - Brazeau

Rosén - Liljegren
Kivihalme - Lindgren
Rubins - Duszak
Kral - Hollowell

Woll - Hutchinson (veteran presence)
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  1. Bokk, Dominik
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CAR)
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(54th overall selection).
CAR
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
Détails additionnels:
As for Kapanen trade.. I think if they dont get top-4 D back good enough to go for the trade, they would move him to a team like Carolina for a prospect on right side of offense like Bokk and late 2nd / early 3rd. And this value is absolutely good considering what similar wingers cost.

This is just an example. It can be any team. And I dont see Leafs trading Johnsson before his value is back up where it should be.
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TOR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (WPG)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (WPG)
Détails additionnels:
Dermotts value is imo 2nd this year + 4th in later years (the later pick would be conditional based on Dermotts success).

Dermott slots in on 2nd pairing with Poolman or whoever would be there in Winnipeg behind Pionk.
WPG
  1. Dermott, Travis [Droits de RFA]
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TOR
  1. Suomela, Antti [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (SJS)
SJS
  1. Bracco, Jeremy [Droits de RFA]
  2. Malgin, Denis
Détails additionnels:
Suomela for Malgin
4th for Bracco (conditional - would turn into 5th if Bracco does not play NHL games with SJS next year)
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19 mai 2020 à 8 h 55
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Your telling me you rather trade Kapanen over Johnsson?
19 mai 2020 à 8 h 58
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I think Gudas will get more term and money, maybe slot in Dermott there instead. And I don't think Mikheyev signs for 3 years at only 2 mil.
19 mai 2020 à 9 h 2
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I think Gudas will get more term and money, maybe slot in Dermott there instead. And I don't think Mikheyev signs for 3 years at only 2 mil.


I think he would sign 1yr/2M ish deal to get more money next year. Dermott can be there as well but I doubt he is capable of being in that role.
19 mai 2020 à 9 h 3
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Your telling me you rather trade Kapanen over Johnsson?


No, I said they are likely to trade Kapanen before Johnsson.

But, answer me these questions:
Is it wise to trade player in middle of half-year long injury with pretty not underwhelming season just for the sake of it when you know he is worth more than what you are getting for him?
How much of a difference is there between Kappy and Johnsson realistically in terms of performance?
Is Robertson ready to step into mid-6 role? Because Engvall aint doing that.

Kap has a momentum and big value on trade market but I doubt he would sustain that value.
19 mai 2020 à 9 h 11
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No, I said they are likely to trade Kapanen before Johnsson.

But, answer me these questions:
Is it wise to trade player in middle of half-year long injury with pretty not underwhelming season just for the sake of it when you know he is worth more than what you are getting for him?
How much of a difference is there between Kappy and Johnsson realistically in terms of performance?
Is Robertson ready to step into mid-6 role? Because Engvall aint doing that.

Kap has a momentum and big value on trade market but I doubt he would sustain that value.


Leafs went the whole season without johnsson. I get your point but it makes more sense to keep Kapanen. Kapanen's value isn't even as high as it should be. He hasn't hit his full potential.
Kappy and Johnsson are equal right now but Kappy has got a brighter future. But their values are pretty much equal.
Kapanen also bring so much more to the game then Johnsson does. Also, I am only comfortable giving Robertson 9 games
19 mai 2020 à 9 h 15
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Leafs went the whole season without johnsson. I get your point but it makes more sense to keep Kapanen. Kapanen's value isn't even as high as it should be. He hasn't hit his full potential.
Kappy and Johnsson are equal right now but Kappy has got a brighter future. But their values are pretty much equal.
Kapanen also bring so much more to the game then Johnsson does. Also, I am only comfortable giving Robertson 9 games


Potential of Kapanens is why his value is high tho. He is just 23yo.. Johnsson has much lower value on trade market especially with injuries and down year. If you trade him, you are losing so much value.
Robertson 9 games? Thats what I think is gonna happen but ready for that role? I have my doubts.
19 mai 2020 à 9 h 38
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Potential of Kapanens is why his value is high tho. He is just 23yo.. Johnsson has much lower value on trade market especially with injuries and down year. If you trade him, you are losing so much value.
Robertson 9 games? Thats what I think is gonna happen but ready for that role? I have my doubts.


trading kapanen would be a massive mistake for that very reason. One of the few forwards that combines grit and skill on this team. The next crack he gets at being a consistent top 6 guy you can put my money on a 55-60 point season
19 mai 2020 à 9 h 52
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trading kapanen would be a massive mistake for that very reason. One of the few forwards that combines grit and skill on this team. The next crack he gets at being a consistent top 6 guy you can put my money on a 55-60 point season


Are you willing to take a big L on Johnsson trade just to have Kapanen as 3RW?
19 mai 2020 à 9 h 58
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If you sign Clifford you are giving up the Leafs second round pick in 2021.
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If you sign Clifford you are giving up the Leafs second round pick in 2021.


Thats true. But not that big of a deal.
19 mai 2020 à 10 h 10
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I think this whole conversation on the CAR trade is nonsense. I don't think CAR makes that trade.
Bokk is a solid guy who dominated at WJC-20. I think you are kidding yourself that CAR would part with him so easily.
He's 20 and set to start in the AHL next year. My guess is they aren't going to trade him this easily. Not without first seeing what they got.
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I think this whole conversation on the CAR trade is nonsense. I don't think CAR makes that trade.
Bokk is a solid guy who dominated at WJC-20. I think you are kidding yourself that CAR would part with him so easily.
He's 20 and set to start in the AHL next year. My guess is they aren't going to trade him this easily. Not without first seeing what they got.


Well of course. Any team can say "we are not doing this, we want this player" and not do the deal. Thats why I said that it doesnt have to be Carolina. It can be other team. The value is the most important about that trade and I think the value is fair.
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Thats true. But not that big of a deal.


Guys like him are a dime a dozen and some are UFA this season, keep your pick.
19 mai 2020 à 10 h 24
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Well of course. Any team can say "we are not doing this, we want this player" and not do the deal. Thats why I said that it doesnt have to be Carolina. It can be other team. The value is the most important about that trade and I think the value is fair.


I don't think the value there is fair though. Bokk has more goals in 1 wjc than Kap has in 2.
The kids got talent. You are trying to say Kap is more talented because he's older and got his chance already. That does not add up.
That's the only reason CAR would have to pay the 2nd as well.
At best you could say these are two even guys. Because I don't think anyone is watching Bokk and saying, he's not going to make the jump.
That's without getting into the salary aspect of these two guys. 3 years of Bokk at nothing ELC vs paying 3+ mil on kap.
For a team with cap space issues. I don't think CAR makes this deal, I don't think it's in their best interest to. Especially on such a young team.
19 mai 2020 à 10 h 42
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Potential of Kapanens is why his value is high tho. He is just 23yo.. Johnsson has much lower value on trade market especially with injuries and down year. If you trade him, you are losing so much value.
Robertson 9 games? Thats what I think is gonna happen but ready for that role? I have my doubts.


I agree. Kappy brings more that the Leafs need compared to Johnsson. Kappy has speed and grit and tenacity, which makes him a perfect fit for Toronto. Mango is more expendable
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Are you willing to take a big L on Johnsson trade just to have Kapanen as 3RW?


Yes. Who's to say kapanen stays on the third line? Nylander can play LW. Kapanen plays well with tavares. He's more than ready to play top 6. Or else have a top6 winger playing on line 3 for advantage. We know what Johnsson is. He'll be 26 for most of next season, at best he'll be what he was in his rookie year (not a slight against him- he was good, but I wouldn't cry over losing him- we essentially went the full season without maximum level johnsson. Kapanen is better than that right now, and he hasn't come close to his peak yet.
 
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