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What you want in return for Jarry or Murray

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    What do you want for Murray?
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      What so you want for Jarry?
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      17 mai 2020 à 13 h 45
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      Jarry would get a late first. I doubt Pittsburg wants to trade Murray so they are gonna want a good package for him
      17 mai 2020 à 13 h 52
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      Quoting: Gabriel11
      Jarry would get a late first. I doubt Pittsburg wants to trade Murray so they are gonna want a good package for him


      No team is giving up a late 1st for Jarry. Total of 62 games and a .914sv%.
      17 mai 2020 à 13 h 53
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      Quoting: Gabriel11
      Jarry would get a late first. I doubt Pittsburg wants to trade Murray so they are gonna want a good package for him


      Would Pittsburg take Dermott (23 yr old LHD worth a high 2nd) and a 3rd or 2?
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      17 mai 2020 à 14 h 0
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      Quoting: firezfurx
      Would Pittsburg take Dermott (23 yr old LHD worth a high 2nd) and a 3rd or 2?


      They should
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      17 mai 2020 à 14 h 3
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      Quoting: firezfurx
      Would Pittsburg take Dermott (23 yr old LHD worth a high 2nd) and a 3rd or 2?


      Yeah, I like the idea of Dermott and 3rd for Jarry. Although I feel the Leafs have to trade Andersen beforehand.
      17 mai 2020 à 14 h 16
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      Quoting: Hockeylover360
      Yeah, I like the idea of Dermott and 3rd for Jarry. Although I feel the Leafs have to trade Andersen beforehand.


      Ya I think he can get worked into a deal for Wallmark/Weegar given Florida CBO's Bob
      17 mai 2020 à 15 h 1
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      Quoting: ClockReads2113
      No team is giving up a late 1st for Jarry. Total of 62 games and a .914sv%.


      In jarrys first season 2.77 gaa but he has leaped forward this season playing better thsn ever. 2.43 gaa .921 sv% teams dont look at the whole career they look at current season and PLAYOFF PERFORNANCE OVER WHOLE CARRER NOT REG SEASON
      17 mai 2020 à 15 h 21
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      Quoting: KCNRoyal
      In jarrys first season 2.77 gaa but he has leaped forward this season playing better thsn ever. 2.43 gaa .921 sv% teams dont look at the whole career they look at current season and PLAYOFF PERFORNANCE OVER WHOLE CARRER NOT REG SEASON


      Jarry has never played in a playoff game so you are bringing that up because? You aren't proving your point very well
      17 mai 2020 à 16 h 2
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      Quoting: ClockReads2113
      No team is giving up a late 1st for Jarry. Total of 62 games and a .914sv%.


      So Fox/Makar/Hughes are only worth late firsts...? They've only played 60-70 games... And using his career sv% is a fantastic method of judging his talent because development never happens in goalies between the ages of 23 and 25
      17 mai 2020 à 16 h 11
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      Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
      Jarry has never played in a playoff game so you are bringing that up because? You aren't proving your point very well


      I know however current season jarry has played really amazing. He will prob be thepens playoff starter if the season comes back
      17 mai 2020 à 16 h 19
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      Quoting: KCNRoyal
      I know however current season jarry has played really amazing. He will prob be thepens playoff starter if the season comes back


      No. Murray was the full time starter before the cancelation and was outplaying Jarry after he had his hot streak
      17 mai 2020 à 16 h 22
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      Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
      No. Murray was the full time starter before the cancelation and was outplaying Jarry after he had his hot streak


      No not full time watch your games buddy
      17 mai 2020 à 16 h 26
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      Quoting: KCNRoyal
      No not full time watch your games buddy


      Murray started 4 of their last 5 games lmao go watch your games buddy. You have no clue
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      17 mai 2020 à 17 h 27
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      Murray started 4 of their last 5 games lmao go watch your games buddy. You have no clue


      Ya sully went back Murray to right before the season ended. Jarry had cooled a little, and Sully def is a Murray guy.
      17 mai 2020 à 17 h 30
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      Jarry: well the Pens need a W and 3rd Pair RD. Maybe one of those things and a pick of appropriate value. I would think they have no interest in Dermott. Too much tied up in the D already and he’s a LD. They have POJ who they project to see time soon.

      Murray: a big package probably addressing all of their needs and a solid pick.
      17 mai 2020 à 18 h 31
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      All the money, all the women, all the cars!
      17 mai 2020 à 20 h 22
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      Quoting: firezfurx
      Would Pittsburg take Dermott (23 yr old LHD worth a high 2nd) and a 3rd or 2?


      Penguins don't want Dermott.

      The cost of Jarry would be a 2RW or possibly a very solid 3C.
      No picks, they don't help, no prospects that are years away, and no players in positions they don't need filled.
      17 mai 2020 à 21 h 2
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      Quoting: pharrow
      Penguins don't want Dermott.

      The cost of Jarry would be a 2RW or possibly a very solid 3C.
      No picks, they don't help, no prospects that are years away, and no players in positions they don't need filled.


      3C? How does Kerfoot sound? We could also buy Johnson out for you.
      17 mai 2020 à 21 h 7
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      3C? How does Kerfoot sound? We could also buy Johnson out for you.


      yeah that's not going to do it. There simply isn't enough value there to do that.
      Especially from a team we may face in the playoffs.
      We'd be looking for Kap.
      17 mai 2020 à 21 h 16
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      Quoting: KCNRoyal
      In jarrys first season 2.77 gaa but he has leaped forward this season playing better thsn ever. 2.43 gaa .921 sv% teams dont look at the whole career they look at current season and PLAYOFF PERFORNANCE OVER WHOLE CARRER NOT REG SEASON


      I could see that if it was a bigger sample to base it on. 33 games this season is so damn small. If a team gave up a 1st for that they'd be stupid.
      17 mai 2020 à 21 h 21
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      Quoting: AFOX10900
      So Fox/Makar/Hughes are only worth late firsts...? They've only played 60-70 games... And using his career sv% is a fantastic method of judging his talent because development never happens in goalies between the ages of 23 and 25


      BIIIIIIIG difference between goalies and young elite defensemen. Jarry has mediocre numbers in the AHL, had bad numbers in the NHL until this season. And even then, it was basially just a really hot start that made those numbers look good. Since the flip of the calendar: 15 games, .910sv%.
      17 mai 2020 à 21 h 27
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      Quoting: pharrow
      yeah that's not going to do it. There simply isn't enough value there to do that.
      Especially from a team we may face in the playoffs.
      We'd be looking for Kap.


      If we could get Labanc (Seen quite a few offers throw around) would you do that 1 for 1?
      17 mai 2020 à 21 h 53
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      Quoting: ClockReads2113
      BIIIIIIIG difference between goalies and young elite defensemen. Jarry has mediocre numbers in the AHL, had bad numbers in the NHL until this season. And even then, it was basially just a really hot start that made those numbers look good. Since the flip of the calendar: 15 games, .910sv%.


      AHL numbers (for goalies) have basically 0 correlation to NHL numbers, and goalies are one of the most volatile positions in sports, 99.9% he won't be as bad as that for the majority of next year (or as good as his first ~20 games, but that shows that his high end can be a top 3 G in the league...) Plus his last 15 games were tanked by a horrible Jan, he was above average in Feb again
      17 mai 2020 à 22 h 17
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      Quoting: AFOX10900
      AHL numbers (for goalies) have basically 0 correlation to NHL numbers, and goalies are one of the most volatile positions in sports, 99.9% he won't be as bad as that for the majority of next year (or as good as his first ~20 games, but that shows that his high end can be a top 3 G in the league...) Plus his last 15 games were tanked by a horrible Jan, he was above average in Feb again


      You sure about that? Since February: 7GP .896sv%

      Bottom line, this season alone is way too small of a sample size.
      17 mai 2020 à 22 h 22
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      You sure about that? Since February: 7GP .896sv%

      Bottom line, this season alone is way too small of a sample size.


      Yeah, the team in front of him fell apart, he had a positive GSAx iirc

      You can say that about any player who had one good season ever.
       
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