Manson isn't an upgrade. Weegar is though IMO

Disagree.

Weegar is definitely an upgrade and Leafs won’t pay the price needed to get Ekblad (assuming he was ever available)

IMO weefar just gives us a right shot to play with Rielly, and he won’t cost a flrtune

What do you think the Leafs defence biggest weakness is?

The reason I am against trading Marner is his contract will only get better and better, where other contracts like Ellis, Panarin, and basically all UFA signings will only get worse. If Marner keeps on improving and growing every year as he has (I write this year off as he was injured and his production got better when Babs got fired) and he becomes a 95, 100, 105(?) pt guy then that would be insane. Also, UFA/RFA signings are only getting more expensive and with a new CBA coming soon I expect Marner's contract will be fine in 2-3 yrs.

The issue with the Weegar trade proposal is that Florida is a cap strapped team with a bad defense, so trading out one of their better defensemen who has a manageable contract doesn't seem like a great idea for them. The same could be said for Anaheim, but at least they're just straight up bad so they might be willing to deal Manson for the right price. But I see no reason why Florida would trade Weegar rn

Coaching and consistency. After Babs was fired Barrie became insane and doubled his production. If Rielly and Muzzin had stayed healthy without Babs that defence would have been great.

Yes it's Weegar and Manson this week. Who's it going to be next week?

Weegar was better than Ekblad for the majority of the year

Two ways to look at that coin though. Dermott plus AJ/Kappy for Weegar+ allows them to get a good cheaper LD, and replace Dadanov/Hoffman with solid cheaper options. Fla still has Ekblad, Stralman, Brown on the roster and Priskie on the way for RHD.

They'd likely prefer to move Stralman, but what do they get in return for him?

Anaheim on the other hand has nothing at RHD beyond Manson. They also have Bob Murray as a GM who I am sure despises the thought of letting his toughest dman go.

Consistency is the biggest issue. If everyone wants size, sign an UFA like Soucy or something even though he is a LD. I'd be open to signing Barrie if it would come at a decent price but I know it won't. That's why trading Marner makes the most sense so that money can be used to get a quality d man and maybe some secondary scoring.

Hahahahahhahahahha if i could fire u as an Arm Chair gm i would. If Marner was on the trade block every team in the league would be calling Toronto and not only making an offer but call Dubas an idiot. Whats next is buffalo tradin Eichel edmonton trading mcdavid boston trading pastrnak all these players are as valuable to their teams as Marner is to the Leafs. The idea of trading marner is an absolute joke

I'm wondering what OP thinks the Leafs weakness is, because Ellis and Ekblad are completely different dmen then Klingberg. If Leafs want a Klingberg type, they hold onto Marner and just re-sign Barrie.

Weegar especially would provide a solid defensive dmen option to play with Rielly, and he wouldn't cost us Marner.

There is truth to that, but the biggest need is finding a steady partner for Reilly. Two years ago it was Hainsey, who was a great stay at home presence and allowed Reilly to be Reilly. The result was Norris conversation. Last year (injuries clearly being an impact as well), he lacked that presence and we all saw the result.

So yes, Weegar would be a fantastic fit. Young enough to be a long term partner; his transition game is fantastic and he is strong in his own end. The price tag on acquiring him though is going to be steeper than people think.

Given the Leafs cap constraints, I really think it's going to be Holl; and I have little issue with that. My biggest concern is whether he can handle the minutes - but his ability is there.

Weegar isn't the same thing as Manson. He's become a very solid defensive dman that played big minutes last year against tough comp, and did well.

Leafs have a much bigger need for a Weegar then they do for a Barrie/Klingberg with the current makeup of their Dcore.

Pretty sure this kind of post belongs in the forums

I think Weegar is better than Dermott and even though Kapanen or Johnsson would be helpful, I don't think its worth it for them at the expense of their 3rd (arguably 2nd) best defenseman. Yandle and Stralman are beginning to regress, Matheson's development seems to have stalled, Pysyk is literally a forward and Brown is probably a 5th defenseman at best. They simply can't afford to move him.

What's interesting about Weegar is that he plays on the left side too. He's played almost exclusively with Ekblad and when he hasn't, he's been with righties Stralman and Pysyk. That's not to say a team like Toronto couldn't play him on the right side, but it just goes to show his importance to the Panthers; he can play on the left side (where they need him more) and plays well there.

Good insight, and inter divisional rivals likely avoid a trade of this magnitude anyways, but with FLA's setup, and Weegar's style I see why lots of Leafs fans have zero'd in on him. I knew Weegar was playing LD by the end of the year with Ekblad which is pretty rare for RH as it's usually less common for a team to have more RHD than LHD.