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Créé par: Sagecoll
Équipe: 2020-21 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 8 mai 2020
Publié: 8 mai 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Oleksiak and Faksa each worth about a 3rd. 2 3rd's = approx 1 2nd
Jones = Late 1st Paju= high 2nd. So Serg = 1st + 2nd + 3rd
Strome = late 1st. Howden = 3rd. So Ehlers = 2 1sts + 3rd
Pionk at the time of trade >> Anderson at time of trade. So Trouba is dealt for less than the cost he was paid for.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 450 000 $
21 950 000 $
65 850 000 $
86 875 000 $
32 875 000 $
1850 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1900 000 $
Transactions
1.
2.
NYR
DAL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
3.
NYR
  1. Sergachev, Mikhail [Droits de RFA]
TBL
  1. Jones, Zachary [Liste de réserve]
  2. Pajuniemi, Lauri [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
4.
WPG
  1. Howden, Brett
  2. Strome, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CAR)
5.
NYR
  1. Anderson, Joey [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (VAN)
Rachats de contrats
Enfoui
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2020
Logo de NYR
Logo de VAN
Logo de NYR
Logo de DAL
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NSH
Logo de VAN
2021
Logo de NYR
Logo de BUF
Logo de NYR
Logo de OTT
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
2022
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $78 451 466 $0 $8 062 500 $3 048 534 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Rangers de New York
11 642 857 $11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Rangers de New York
5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
Logo de Rangers de New York
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo de Rangers de New York
894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance350 000 $$350K)
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
AD
UFA - 1
2 875 000 $2 875 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 5
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 650 000 $$3M)
AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
1 450 000 $1 450 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 1
850 000 $850 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
RFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
5 850 000 $5 850 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Stars de Dallas
2 137 500 $2 137 500 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
900 000 $900 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
1 950 000 $1 950 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Rangers de New York
5 700 000 $5 700 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1

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8 mai 2020 à 17 h 1
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Trouba? That was quick!
Serg, is it enough, I don't know your prospects?
8 mai 2020 à 17 h 12
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Trouba? That was quick!
Serg, is it enough, I don't know your prospects?


Yeah I mean it was pretty quick for Fox to cement himself as a #1 dman and for Deangelo to confirm he's a legit offensive powerhouse too lol.

But Rangers have a long storied history of trading players right before their NTC/NMC kicks in, it's something players know whenever they sign here. And Trouba gets to stay in the NY market and finally run a PP like he was initially signed to do.

In terms of prospects, Jones led all D+1 Dmen in the NCAA in pts/gm, easily outpacing Cam York. He was the PP QB for the US at the WJC. and he's a top 75 prospect in all of hockey. You can easily equate him to a mid-late 1st.

Everyone is raving about Jesse Puljujarvi's season in Finland, he put up 24 goals in 56 games. That's almost a goal every other game and he did that at 21 years old.
Lauri Pajuniemi just put up 26 goals in 49 games. That's quite literally better than a goal every other game and he did that as a 20 year old in the same league.....
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8 mai 2020 à 17 h 57
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From a Dallas perspective - We'd listen on both players, but we're not moving both for a 2nd in 2021. My thought on cost would be a 2nd in 2020 for Faksa (which we'd accept), and a 4th in 2021 would be acceptable for Oleksiak (we'd also accept). Also, if any interest in Honka, 4th rd'er would do the trick!
8 mai 2020 à 18 h 29
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From a Dallas perspective - We'd listen on both players, but we're not moving both for a 2nd in 2021. My thought on cost would be a 2nd in 2020 for Faksa (which we'd accept), and a 4th in 2021 would be acceptable for Oleksiak (we'd also accept). Also, if any interest in Honka, 4th rd'er would do the trick!


I don't think we'd give another pick for those 2. more likely a prospect. And no, our system is simply at the brim with D prospects, we're not taking anymore. The most I could sway the deal would be to add a boom or bust guy like Sean Day.

I don't think anyone is going to give you a 2020 2nd for Faksa. Surely a 3rd. But Faksa's defensive metrics have not looked nearly as glowing as they did 2-3 seasons ago. Rangers don't have a 2020 2nd anyway.

From our perspective, we could just simply sign Johan Larsson for probably less than Faksa will cost as a UFA, who has done the Faksa thing better than Faksa over the past 2 seasons. And it wouldn't cost us a draft pick.
8 mai 2020 à 18 h 31
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Yeah I mean it was pretty quick for Fox to cement himself as a #1 dman and for Deangelo to confirm he's a legit offensive powerhouse too lol.

But Rangers have a long storied history of trading players right before their NTC/NMC kicks in, it's something players know whenever they sign here. And Trouba gets to stay in the NY market and finally run a PP like he was initially signed to do.

In terms of prospects, Jones led all D+1 Dmen in the NCAA in pts/gm, easily outpacing Cam York. He was the PP QB for the US at the WJC. and he's a top 75 prospect in all of hockey. You can easily equate him to a mid-late 1st.

Everyone is raving about Jesse Puljujarvi's season in Finland, he put up 24 goals in 56 games. That's almost a goal every other game and he did that at 21 years old.
Lauri Pajuniemi just put up 26 goals in 49 games. That's quite literally better than a goal every other game and he did that as a 20 year old in the same league.....


Thx for the prospect info
8 mai 2020 à 18 h 45
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Thx for the prospect info


No problemo!
9 mai 2020 à 10 h 33
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Quoting: Karr31
From a Dallas perspective - We'd listen on both players, but we're not moving both for a 2nd in 2021. My thought on cost would be a 2nd in 2020 for Faksa (which we'd accept), and a 4th in 2021 would be acceptable for Oleksiak (we'd also accept). Also, if any interest in Honka, 4th rd'er would do the trick!


I disagree on Faksa. He is easily a top 10 as a defensive center, and Dellandrea might not be ready for the jump. I think he would pull NYR top pick in the coming draft if we are betting on Ty. With NYR depth in prospects, I could actually see a pick and prospect scenario. Personally though, I don’t see a fit with a Dallas (Faksa) trade with the NYR.

Oleksiak is a solid 5/6. Not too bad for the price. Though Harley is coming up soon, I’d keep him for another season at least.

If we get a 4th for Honka, I’d be happy.
9 mai 2020 à 10 h 51
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I disagree on Faksa. He is easily a top 10 as a defensive center, and Dellandrea might not be ready for the jump. I think he would pull NYR top pick in the coming draft if we are betting on Ty. With NYR depth in prospects, I could actually see a pick and prospect scenario. Personally though, I don’t see a fit with a Dallas (Faksa) trade with the NYR.

Oleksiak is a solid 5/6. Not too bad for the price. Though Harley is coming up soon, I’d keep him for another season at least.

If we get a 4th for Honka, I’d be happy.


Not sure what's in the water over there in Dallas. Faksa has been quite literally league average defensively over the last 2 seasons (he was slightly below league average last year, and slightly better this year). He was* a top defensive C, but that hasn't been the case since around 2017.

Here's a sampling of C's who have outperformed Faksa defensively on the ice over the last 2 seasons....

Johan Larsson
Joel Eriksson Ek
Anthony Cirelli
Ryan O'Reilly
Jordan Staal
NIck Bonino
Lucas Wallmark
Barclay Goodrow
Patrice Bergeron
Derek Ryan
Alex Kerfoot
Blake Coleman
JT Compher
Philip Danault
Tyler Bozak
Andrew Copp
David Kampf
Charlie Coyle
Elias Lindholm
Kevin Hayes
Adam Lowry
Brock Nelson
Joe Thornton
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare
Ryan Carpenter
Sidney Crosby
Mikael Granlund
Noel Acciari
Riley Sheahan
Colin White
Jean-Gabriel Pageau
Paul Stastny
Adam Henrique
David Krejci
Eric Staal
Elias Pettersson
Nicklas Backstrom

And there's about 30 more in addition to that.

So yeah....Faksa maybe gets a 3rd..this trade was meant to be easy accept for you guys.

Alternative is Rangers give you a 4th for Oleksiak and we just sign Johan Larsson for cheaper than Faksa....
9 mai 2020 à 12 h 2
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Not sure what's in the water over there in Dallas. Faksa has been quite literally league average defensively over the last 2 seasons (he was slightly below league average last year, and slightly better this year). He was* a top defensive C, but that hasn't been the case since around 2017.

Here's a sampling of C's who have outperformed Faksa defensively on the ice over the last 2 seasons....

Johan Larsson
Joel Eriksson Ek
Anthony Cirelli
Ryan O'Reilly
Jordan Staal
NIck Bonino
Lucas Wallmark
Barclay Goodrow
Patrice Bergeron
Derek Ryan
Alex Kerfoot
Blake Coleman
JT Compher
Philip Danault
Tyler Bozak
Andrew Copp
David Kampf
Charlie Coyle
Elias Lindholm
Kevin Hayes
Adam Lowry
Brock Nelson
Joe Thornton
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare
Ryan Carpenter
Sidney Crosby
Mikael Granlund
Noel Acciari
Riley Sheahan
Colin White
Jean-Gabriel Pageau
Paul Stastny
Adam Henrique
David Krejci
Eric Staal
Elias Pettersson
Nicklas Backstrom

And there's about 30 more in addition to that.

So yeah....Faksa maybe gets a 3rd..this trade was meant to be easy accept for you guys.

Alternative is Rangers give you a 4th for Oleksiak and we just sign Johan Larsson for cheaper than Faksa....


Like I said, I don’t see a fit with this trade. I value him as a third line center, which seems to be the case for you. Of all players you chose him. You could just trade for any of the other players on the list. He’s cost efficient and dependable defensively. He can be locked up long term with this contract year.

And I still believe he is a top 10 defensive center.

Also, he’s worth more alone than a 2021 second, especially in a year where UFA/RFA centers are thin. On top of that, 2021 doesn’t seem like it’s shaping up to be a great draft year. So, I stand by the belief that his value alone is far greater than the offer.
 
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