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A Fair Trade as per LukeFox

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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 6 mai 2020
Publié: 6 mai 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-toronto-maple-leafs-a-logjam-on-the-left-side-rielly-comparables-goaltending-and-adding-a-ltir-player/2020/05/05/amp/

I see this as SUPER unrealistic but whatever.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
11 500 000 $
21 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1700 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Kesler, Ryan
  2. Manson, Josh
  3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (ANA)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2020
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2081 500 000 $79 649 783 $0 $0 $1 850 217 $
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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6 mai 2020 à 7 h 37
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Maybe for Nylander, not for Kapanen
6 mai 2020 à 7 h 38
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I think it makes sense cap wise and all that. I dont think Anaheim does it, but it makes sense. Leafs would probably add Dermott and ask for like 2nd instead of 5th, but overall it has a solid value.
6 mai 2020 à 7 h 44
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Maybe for Nylander, not for Kapanen


Alex, right?
6 mai 2020 à 7 h 49
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Alex, right?


William, Manson is FAR better than Kapanen
6 mai 2020 à 7 h 51
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William, Manson is FAR better than Kapanen


LOL and William is million times better than Manson. Plus Anaheim is sending dead contract in Kesler. The most value Ive heard from people actually connected in regard to Manson was combination of Kerfoot, Hollowell and good pick (2nd or 3rd). Nothing like Nylander at all.
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6 mai 2020 à 7 h 52
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I love how everyone is saying Nylander, yet the leafs are helping the ducks smh. Who in their right mind would ever want Kesler? He has no value!
6 mai 2020 à 7 h 57
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LOL and William is million times better than Manson. Plus Anaheim is sending dead contract in Kesler. The most value Ive heard from people actually connected in regard to Manson was combination of Kerfoot, Hollowell and good pick (2nd or 3rd). Nothing like Nylander at all.


Kesler is just money, Anaheim can afford not to send it, they're not a poor franchise. They can eat that deal very easily. Manson is going to cost Nylander because they are similar in value, and the counter-act the other's need. Anaheim need a true young star forward, Toronto need a DFD. Anaheim probably add, but not crazy amounts. Nylander for Manson is a lot closer to a fair starting point than this is
6 mai 2020 à 7 h 57
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I love how everyone is saying Nylander, yet the leafs are helping the ducks smh. Who in their right mind would ever want Kesler? He has no value!


He has value.. negative value.
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6 mai 2020 à 8 h 2
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Kesler is just money, Anaheim can afford not to send it, they're not a poor franchise. They can eat that deal very easily. Manson is going to cost Nylander because they are similar in value, and the counter-act the other's need. Anaheim need a true young star forward, Toronto need a DFD. Anaheim probably add, but not crazy amounts. Nylander for Manson is a lot closer to a fair starting point than this is


Its not. Nylander is 6-7 years younger than Manson and is much more valuable. Manson is not gonna be cheap. As I said.. Kerfoot + Hollowell (Hollowells value is surprisingly high among other teams, which I was surprised by myself, because I thought he was another meh RD prospect in the system) + very good pick is close to a fair value which is a lot to give for aging DFD. Top line star forward does never equal defensive defenseman unless that DFD is relatively young and already great (Pesce or Parayko). Manson also was not really good past two years. Which, granted, is probably caused by teams performances, so that doesnt lower his value as much as others might say.
6 mai 2020 à 8 h 13
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Quoting: SammyT_51
He has value.. negative value.


Imagine having negative value... what a bust
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6 mai 2020 à 8 h 46
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What is purpose of including Kesler? Has no meaning at all regarding cap. Sorta takes away the credibility for the post.
Manson isn't that special now....so a Kapanen for Manson might help the Leafs in a position of need, but Manson is hardly a difference maker. Plus he does make 900,000 more.
If folks are so RHD obsessed here's a suggestion. Trade 3.2m Kapanen for futures. Let's say a 2nd and 4th rounder (if you can find a team with cap. Then overpay to sign UFA DeMelo on a 4m X 4 deal.
Leafs would be a better off with the picks, and have more term on equally average Dman.
6 mai 2020 à 8 h 48
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Anaheim doesnt need to shed cap, Toronto is not doing them a favor, so Anaheim has no reason to do this
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6 mai 2020 à 9 h 16
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Lol Manson for W. Nylander I wouldn't even consider that as a remote possibility from the ducks lol, but this trade doesn't get it done either, the ducks don't need to move Kesler, he doesn't really affect them, and Manson for Kap just isn't going to work
6 mai 2020 à 9 h 22
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I saw a tweet and it showed that Manson really isn't as good of a player he is.
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6 mai 2020 à 10 h 5
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Just sayin,
Luke fox, (who is much more knowledgeable about these things than anyone on this site,) says that is a fair deal. again, he knows the GMs
6 mai 2020 à 10 h 6
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Quoting: Caniac2000
William, Manson is FAR better than Kapanen


Manson is overvalued imo. Still I don't think Kapanen on his own gets it done.
The Kesler idea is interesting though. If Dubas can work some cap wizardy.
6 mai 2020 à 10 h 11
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Its not. Nylander is 6-7 years younger than Manson and is much more valuable. Manson is not gonna be cheap. As I said.. Kerfoot + Hollowell (Hollowells value is surprisingly high among other teams, which I was surprised by myself, because I thought he was another meh RD prospect in the system) + very good pick is close to a fair value which is a lot to give for aging DFD. Top line star forward does never equal defensive defenseman unless that DFD is relatively young and already great (Pesce or Parayko). Manson also was not really good past two years. Which, granted, is probably caused by teams performances, so that doesnt lower his value as much as others might say.


Manson's stats haven't differed since his 3rd year professional, solid defensively and an asset offensively, albeit with a small affect. The age argument doesn't and shouldn't apply to D men because they are known to take longer to develop, and they often play longer into their primes because of it. Manson is 6 years older than Nylander, but if Nylander was a D man, he'd still be a year from the NHL in all likelihood. That's going to be the price for any of the high quality DFD, Manson, Pesce, Parayko and probably more. They don't grow on trees and are essential in the success of 95% of teams. St Louis had Parayko and Petrangelo, Washington have Orlov, Pittsburgh Doumolin, Chicago had Kane and Seabrooke, LA Doughty and Muzzin, Boston Chara and the list goes on. DFD are essential to a teams success, and you're not gonna get one for a 3rd line winger and taking on a dud contract from a team that can afford it. It'll cost more than Dermott too because it's no secret every Toronto fan and their dog has tried a Dermott trade. The value just isn't there without Nylander as a starting point because top pair DFD's should have that sort of value, and that's just a fact.
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6 mai 2020 à 10 h 13
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Maybe for Nylander, not for Kapanen


Hahaha nice one
6 mai 2020 à 10 h 13
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Manson is overvalued imo. Still I don't think Kapanen on his own gets it done.
The Kesler idea is interesting though. If Dubas can work some cap wizardy.


Why? Anaheim can afford to keep it, they're not gonna pay to dump it. It needs to be more than Kapanen and it needs to be more than someone like Dermott too. I say nylander as a starting point because he's one of 4 players who fills a need for Anaheim, and I don't think Leaf fans wanna see Marner, Matthews or Tavares in Anaheim next season. Anaheim would likely have to add a fair bit, but I think that would be the starting point for the Ducks
6 mai 2020 à 10 h 13
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I saw a tweet and it showed that Manson really isn't as good of a player he is.

you'll have to overpay to get him and he's not worth it
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6 mai 2020 à 10 h 34
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Nylander for Manson would be an overpay by the Leafs. Suggesting otherwise is just silly talk.

Doesn't Kessler plan to play again? All indications listening to him speak indicate as such. If that is the case, the Leafs could not afford him.

IMO... if the Ducks really want to move Manson, (I'm not convinced that they do), Liljegren + 2nd Rounder + Prospect OR Liljegren + 1st Rounder should get it done. They would have to clear more salary in order to facilitate that.
6 mai 2020 à 10 h 59
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Why? Anaheim can afford to keep it, they're not gonna pay to dump it. It needs to be more than Kapanen and it needs to be more than someone like Dermott too. I say nylander as a starting point because he's one of 4 players who fills a need for Anaheim, and I don't think Leaf fans wanna see Marner, Matthews or Tavares in Anaheim next season. Anaheim would likely have to add a fair bit, but I think that would be the starting point for the Ducks


I literally said Kapenen alone wouldn't get it done.
6 mai 2020 à 13 h 21
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I literally said Kapenen alone wouldn't get it done.


And I said Kapanen and Dermott won't get it done, and it's a better starting point for Both teams for Anaheim to give up a package including Manson for Nylander. It's a better use of resources and cap.
 
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