I counted about 12 teams he’d be top 6 forsure that’s not even half...

Well you'll be glad to know you got the superior RHD. Marino is better, it's not even really debatable... What part of Bear's game is better than Marino's?

This season bear had the best season any RHD in Edmonton has had in a long time. They are not trading him for a middle 6 winger.

You probably only looked at 13 teams... and Toronto was one of them...

That's not too hard an accomplishment. But that's fine all I'm saying is that the difference between them definitely isn't a 1st round pick...

Oh man some of the trade ideas I see with the leafs acgm I really can’t help but laugh it’s priceless

Uhhh.. ummmm... nope I didn’t actually but that was a good one! HA

This wasn't even made by a Leafs fan... he's a Sens fan...

Ah! Good thing there is probably a few thousand other posts that leaf fans make where I have a good laugh so it’s ok

I mean of course.. but is it that he is soooo extremely Pesce/Parayko like good or is it the fact that the last good RHD in Edmonton was Justin Schultz 5 years ago and before that Tom ****ing Gilberg 9 years ago? Might be the first one and might be the other one. NHL team trading for the guy would think the 2nd one and Holland would think the first thing. They meet in a middle. He is a top-4 D valuewise. Holl had the best season any RHD in Toronto had in years. Maybe its because Babcock was so idiotic that he didnt see this Parayko/Pesce like potential or maybe its the fact that last good Toronto defenseman on right side was Cody Franson 7 years ago.. you decide.

And you would be getting the best winger Edmonton would have in years. Unless you count Draisaitl as winger. Same argument.

I keep reiterating the same point, Bear excelled this year and overachieved expectations. What do you not understand? Bear this year was more valuable to his team that Kap would ever be on Edmonton. Holl was maybe the leafs best RHD but he was still pretty average. Bear was excellent, ask Edmonton fans who watched him

I watched him too and he was good. At times very good. I wouldnt say excelled. Thats being thrown around a lot.

I have no idea why the Leafs would want to do this.

In this case I am going to have to disagree with you, Bear is around the same level as Rasmus Andersson, It's his first official year in the league (not including the 17 games last year) and he was already one of Edmonton's best D. Its as simple as they just wont trade him, not that his value goes up when discussing the Leafs

You forgot Petry. And I'm not sure why you're comparing Bear to Pesce and Parayko - sure they're 1RDs but completely different style of players. Talking about Letang or Ellis would make more sense IMO.

Petry was pretty not good on Oilers. Im just saying that people on here are saying things about Ethan Bear like he is second coming of Pesce/Parayko when it comes to his value.

LA, Anahein, San Jose, Edmonton, Ottawa, Montréal, NYI, Devils, Nashville, Florida, Columbus,Chicago, Detroit, Minny, NYR....

There's half the league off the top of my head.

Vancouver: depends if Toffoli resigns.

Pittsburgh: putting Guentzel on the LW.... which he plays

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Mmm if edm has kassian then not edm pitt is a if Vancouver is a if idk how he’s too 6 on the rangers of debrincat plays rw for Chicago how is he top 6 there..? Nashville only if granlund doesn’t resign if he does then there’s another team u can scratch off ur list not too sure about nyi from their depth chart doesn’t look top 6 and honestly depending how ppl rate brown and duclair Idek if he’s top 6 rw for Ottawa so try again.

Wow this got out of hand.
Bear - good showing but it's an 80 game sample - TBH Bear is basically Dermott at this point , let's see where Bear is at around the 150 game mark before we go throwing around Kapenen+ for him - and yes Kapenen is a top 6 F in Edmonton it's not even a competition. Bear has played a very small amount of Top 4 hockey and so far excelled - Kap has played a small amount of Top 6 hockey and has excelled (as every argument ever against Kap has been "but how many of those points did he get playing with Matthews,Tavares or Nylander" so we know he can skate with top players

Agile puck-moving defence men are the hottest commodity in the NHL right now. By contrast, there are at least two dozen wingers like Kapanen. Kapanen and Bear are not in the same class of value to a team. No way would Holland lose an RFA RHD like Bear for someone like Kapanen, who is good, but is fairly overpaid.

Bear has the edge agility, shot, and puck-moving ability . The Marino situation is a bit different. Marino did not want to sign with Edmonton, so Holland got what he could for him. Penguins got a steal. But so did Edmonton, if that makes sense.

Petry was better than Schultz and Gilbert on the Oilers, that's for sure.


You're the one bringing up Pesce and Parayko though. The comparison is really awkward. Try using Letang or Ellis or Spurgeon.

Kassian ahead of Kappy. I stopped there lol.

5v5 G/60
Kassian: 1.03
Yamamoto: 1.00
Kapanen: 0.70

5v5 P/60
Yamamoto: 3.16
Kassian: 2.21
Kapanen: 1.90

It's not obvious to me that Kapanen would play on a top-6 line in Edmonton.

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