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Équipe: 2020-21 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 1 mai 2020
Publié: 1 mai 2020
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So basically the Sens are having HUGE problems getting people through the doors. Compared to a team like Arizona or Florida it's not as horrible since they do well in merchandising sales, but if they want to start turning a profit there going to need to bring some bigger names and start fielding a better team. This might not make sense as most view the Sens as a small-market team, but this isn't true. Between 2005 and 2016 when they were competitive and had big-name players, they never dropped below an average attendance of 18,000. In the last 4 years as they slowly lost a hold on their dynasty they started to drop in attendance. It started as a small drop to 17,000, then 16 then 15 and this last year less then 13. This year their revenue was 1.6m and with a total player salary of 71.3m they had a total of 72.9m at their disposal for players. My moves may seem odd, but you have to remember WHEN THEIR GOOD THEY ARE A BIG-MARKET TEAM.
-Toronto needs to dump Kap and although they would rather get a RHD I think they still take it. I think they can fill the RHD slot with a UFA like Demelo anyways.
-I'm not sure about the Cernak offer sheet. Maybe it works? If not free agency is always an option
-Everyone I have scratched has a decent chance of making the roster IMO.
-With the addition of talents like Lafreniere/Byfield/Stutzle, Bobrovsky, Kapanen and Galchenyuk and good marketing I think that they can sell enough seats to pay the slightly more expensive roster.
-Next year Tkachuk will have to be resigned, but with Gaborik and Anisimov coming off the payroll+rising cap they should be fine. I don't think we see a CBO until the 2020 draft class gets paid
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RFAANSCAP HIT
33 250 000 $
33 500 000 $
2750 000 $
33 800 000 $
54 227 436 $
33 200 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
22 500 000 $
11 200 000 $
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Lafreniere, or Byfield
3800 000 $
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Cernak, Erik4 227 436 $
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021
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OTT
  1. Bobrovsky, Sergei
  2. Wallmark, Lucas [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (FLA)
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I think he can play well for a few years. When the young guns get signed he'll get a CBO.
FLA
  1. Nilsson, Anders
Détails additionnels:
Florida needs to cut 10m this year so I don't think they'll think twice about dumping that Cap.
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TOR
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (NYI)
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    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 1
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    What is the point of adding Wallmark to the trade when your not even gonna use him?
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 2
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    Quoting: Torontoleafs15
    What is the point of adding Wallmark to the trade when your not even gonna use him?


    I forgot to sign him fixed that. Alternatively I see Weegar instead.
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 4
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    i like what you're thinking but don't go for bobrovsky, too much term on that contract. sens don't want to shoot themselves in the foot. there are other goalie options out there.
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 11
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    They will most likely not be a chance to use a CBO on him in a few years as CBOs are only a thing in special times. You would have to buy him out which will hurt you.
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 11
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    i like what you're thinking but don't go for bobrovsky, too much term on that contract. sens don't want to shoot themselves in the foot. there are other goalie options out there.


    Well I think that he's getting traded this offseason and is going to get a CBO from a rich team who already has a goalie, but with the sens they can keep for 3 yrs until Laffy gets signed and then if they need the cap he gets a CBO if he goes back to his vezina ways they keep him. Win-Win?
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 12
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    Quoting: Jameshgfgn
    They will most likely not be a chance to use a CBO on him in a few years as CBOs are only a thing in special times. You would have to buy him out which will hurt you.


    Won't the free CBO from quarantine still be there? Or does that have an expiry fate?
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 13
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    your realize OTT made a profit in 18-19 right?

    Unlike, FL, AZ, CBJ, NSH, WPG, NYI(some how not even sure that's right but whatever), and ANA.
    Those are the teams that supposidly lost money.
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 16
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    your realize OTT made a profit in 18-19 right?

    Unlike, FL, AZ, CBJ, NSH, WPG, NYI(some how not even sure that's right but whatever), and ANA.
    Those are the teams that supposidly lost money.


    Yes, but they had a low payroll. What I'm saying is that the fans need more trust in the organization and more reason to go to games. But yea, I don't know why everyone thinks Ottawa is broke.
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 21
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    Quoting: firezfurx
    Won't the free CBO from quarantine still be there? Or does that have an expiry fate?


    You either use the CBO this offseason or you don't. I don't believe teams got to carry them over the last time the league had CBOs.
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 24
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    You either use the CBO this offseason or you don't. I don't believe teams got to carry them over the last time the league had CBOs.


    Oh...
    Well if they do get a CBO in 3-4 yrs trading for bobs makes tons of sense.
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 30
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    Oh...
    Well if they do get a CBO in 3-4 yrs trading for bobs makes tons of sense.


    I mean, CBO's aren't guaranteed. The cap needs to fall or remain flat (maybe on the flat cap thing) in order for the league to award a CBO. With Seattle joining the league and a new TV deal expected in the coming years, there's going to be almost no precedent for a CBO to be awarded within the next decade.

    Using the most dipsh*t, "that's not how that works" math available to us, we should "expect" the next CBO's to become available sometime around the 2028-29 season (linear, observing 8 years between CBO's).

    So by acquiring Bobrovsky and giving him a trial run, you're on the hook for the remainder of his deal. Your options are to use the CBO on him now, or keep him and terminate him via trade or normal buyout in the future.
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 35
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    Quoting: pharrow
    your realize OTT made a profit in 18-19 right?

    Unlike, FL, AZ, CBJ, NSH, WPG, NYI(some how not even sure that's right but whatever), and ANA.
    Those are the teams that supposidly lost money.


    Jets lost money with a sold-out arena? Yikes!
    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 35
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    Quoting: firezfurx
    Yes, but they had a low payroll. What I'm saying is that the fans need more trust in the organization and more reason to go to games. But yea, I don't know why everyone thinks Ottawa is broke.


    they need a new owner. If the owner was gone, the fans would come back.
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    1 mai 2020 à 20 h 49
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Jets lost money with a sold-out arena? Yikes!


    I don't think they sell out.
    I believe they have one of the smallest areans in the league at 16,000 or so.
    The population of WPG only bing like 700,000 doesn't help either.
    Basically there is no merchandising.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-jets-tickets-demand-business-true-north-1.5462921
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    1 mai 2020 à 21 h 41
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    Quoting: pharrow
    I don't think they sell out.
    I believe they have one of the smallest areans in the league at 16,000 or so.
    The population of WPG only bing like 700,000 doesn't help either.
    Basically there is no merchandising.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-jets-tickets-demand-business-true-north-1.5462921
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    This was the first season that they didn't sellout every home game.
    The arena does suck, too small.
    The economics of Winnipeg make me doubt the team can survive long term, didn't know they were losing money already though.
    2 mai 2020 à 4 h 55
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    This was the first season that they didn't sellout every home game.
    The arena does suck, too small.
    The economics of Winnipeg make me doubt the team can survive long term, didn't know they were losing money already though.


    yeah I think there are just issues with keeping teams in small market areas.
    You can get away with being in a small market....as long as there are other close by small markets around you.
    Like WSH has the baltimore area and virginia around it, so it has a population well ove 1 million.
    Boston has a large are of the NE around it, so it's population is over 1 million even if boston itself is only 7-600k or so.

    There isn't really anything around WPG. I mean you have CGY but they have their own team.

    In general I think you need two things to make it work. One is a large population of over 1 million people.
    That helps in so many ways from TV to gate.
    Which is really the next key for the NHL. To realize they need to get their TV contracts in line to the point that fan attendance doesn't matter.
    Much like MLB, NFL and the NBA have done. They make so much off thet tv deals that gate sales don't mean ****.
    The NBA average attendance is 17,875. The NHL is 17,456.
    400 poeple per game isn't what is making or breaking the league.
    It's the TV deals. They need to get their **** together and demand a lot more.
    Their ratings are 313,000 average per game slowly raising. Where the NBA has been falling to 885,000 average per game.
    Yet the NHL isn't taking in 1/3 of what the NBA is making and that needs to change.200 million a year vs 2.5 billion per year isn't working out.
    They are owed a lot more. So that needs to get into the 800 million per year mark at the least.
    Which means they need the 2nd thing with is to divirsify their contracts more and spead outwards more.
    They can put games on atleast 2 networks. That's two big money deals on each.
    **** these little local contracts. Yes they are important. But they should be going after more nationally aired games on bigger networks like ESPN. Which can hype the game.
    They should also change game times more often to get an international market. People in europe like hockey. Early afternoon games on the weekend means Weekend hockey in Europe.
    You get in two games a weekend for weeks on end. You will get paid.
    They haven't really figured this out yet.
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    2 mai 2020 à 9 h 45
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    Quoting: pharrow
    yeah I think there are just issues with keeping teams in small market areas.
    You can get away with being in a small market....as long as there are other close by small markets around you.
    Like WSH has the baltimore area and virginia around it, so it has a population well ove 1 million.
    Boston has a large are of the NE around it, so it's population is over 1 million even if boston itself is only 7-600k or so.

    There isn't really anything around WPG. I mean you have CGY but they have their own team.

    In general I think you need two things to make it work. One is a large population of over 1 million people.
    That helps in so many ways from TV to gate.
    Which is really the next key for the NHL. To realize they need to get their TV contracts in line to the point that fan attendance doesn't matter.
    Much like MLB, NFL and the NBA have done. They make so much off thet tv deals that gate sales don't mean ****.
    The NBA average attendance is 17,875. The NHL is 17,456.
    400 poeple per game isn't what is making or breaking the league.
    It's the TV deals. They need to get their **** together and demand a lot more.
    Their ratings are 313,000 average per game slowly raising. Where the NBA has been falling to 885,000 average per game.
    Yet the NHL isn't taking in 1/3 of what the NBA is making and that needs to change.200 million a year vs 2.5 billion per year isn't working out.
    They are owed a lot more. So that needs to get into the 800 million per year mark at the least.
    Which means they need the 2nd thing with is to divirsify their contracts more and spead outwards more.
    They can put games on atleast 2 networks. That's two big money deals on each.
    **** these little local contracts. Yes they are important. But they should be going after more nationally aired games on bigger networks like ESPN. Which can hype the game.
    They should also change game times more often to get an international market. People in europe like hockey. Early afternoon games on the weekend means Weekend hockey in Europe.
    You get in two games a weekend for weeks on end. You will get paid.
    They haven't really figured this out yet.


    I don't disagree but hockey is a tough sell in the US, like high school football is a bigger draw then the NHL in a lot of US markets.. Lol.. Seems like a difficult sport to grow in North America and Europe has its own leagues and I'm sure traditional hockey markets like Sweden and Finland probably follow the NHL already.

    And Canada as a whole is just ****ing tiny with a weak dollar based on the value of oil, idk maybe the next TV deal can help sustain the small market teams but as a Jets fan who's a realist I do see a day when they're eventually moved to Houston or wherever.
    2 mai 2020 à 10 h 14
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    There's not really an explanation for taking Bobrovsky. Especially when Hogberg was performing well. What does that say to the players if they go out and buy an under performing player after one in their own organization put up similar numbers?

    Even if I agreed that they didn't get fans because of not having big names, Bobrovsky isn't a big enough name to change anything. But the problem isn't names. It's the fact they traded Karlsson, Duchene, more importantly Mark stone and the hatred for Melnyuk. Fans thought maybe one would stay. Didn't happen. The team was going to suck this year and their favourite players were gone. Emphasis on the team being bad. Even Toronto didn't sell out during their tear down. People want to see good teams. And when the sens had good teams, they sold out.
    Tkachuk and Chabot have emerged as those players so it won't be long till they get the fans back in there.
    2 mai 2020 à 16 h 4
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    Quoting: CMac66
    There's not really an explanation for taking Bobrovsky. Especially when Hogberg was performing well. What does that say to the players if they go out and buy an under performing player after one in their own organization put up similar numbers?

    Even if I agreed that they didn't get fans because of not having big names, Bobrovsky isn't a big enough name to change anything. But the problem isn't names. It's the fact they traded Karlsson, Duchene, more importantly Mark stone and the hatred for Melnyuk. Fans thought maybe one would stay. Didn't happen. The team was going to suck this year and their favourite players were gone. Emphasis on the team being bad. Even Toronto didn't sell out during their tear down. People want to see good teams. And when the sens had good teams, they sold out.
    Tkachuk and Chabot have emerged as those players so it won't be long till they get the fans back in there.


    The idea is he's a good enough starter for a few years before a CBO (if they don't get a CBO it doesn't make sense) and they get picks and young players while there at it. Bob is also a large enough name, and with the proper marketing and reporting he could become something that brings fans back in.
    2 mai 2020 à 19 h 9
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    Bobrovsky is 31 and coming off a very underwhelming season. Right now his NAME is that of a mediocre goalie with a VERY bad contract. As a fan I would be livid if Ottawa took him on. Hell, even if he were coming off a stellar year I'd question it.

    I DO want Cernak but I'm not sure he'd sign an offer sheet from Ottawa. I'd love to see us trade for him though, he's a perfect fit for us.
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    4 mai 2020 à 9 h 10
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    Quoting: firezfurx
    The idea is he's a good enough starter for a few years before a CBO (if they don't get a CBO it doesn't make sense) and they get picks and young players while there at it. Bob is also a large enough name, and with the proper marketing and reporting he could become something that brings fans back in.


    What's going to bring fans back is the development of Tkachuk, Chabot, this year's 2 picks. The only goalies that had/have that kind of power is Price, lundqvist in his prime, Brodeur, Roy.
    But the worst part of this is that contract. Hope for a cbo? What kind of business decision is that? Imagine selling that to any owner... OK we're going to take on an 80m contract in the hope we market him well, then in 4 years we will pay him 30m of your money not to play for us. Come on
     
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