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Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 28 avr. 2020
Publié: 30 avr. 2020
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Whether through CBO, Trade, or Retirement, the Rangers are rid of Staal, Smith and Hank's contract, as well as the worst year of Shattenkirk's buyout hit.

Assuming they practice the "patience" that GM and Pres have been preaching, 2020-2021 will not be a playoff year, so they will sell high on some of their expendable pieces to gear up for their real upcoming window.

I think mgmt likes Strome a lot, and don't plan on giving him up.

I also simply don't see Trouba going anywhere.

I'm sure some tweaking needs to be done in order to avoid losing someone too valuable to Seattle, but I didn't get that deep.

I think there is just enough money left over to resign all of Zib, Kakko, Kravtsov, and Fox, with appropriate raises, the following offseason.
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  1. Andersson, Lias [Droits de RFA]
  2. Hájek, Libor [Droits de RFA]
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2021 TDL - Assumes Andersson saw 3rd/4th line minutes for 45+ games 2021 season up to TDL and Hajek performing well in Hartford.
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30 avr. 2020 à 12 h 46
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That's a pretty fast no from San Jose. They aren't trading their first
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30 avr. 2020 à 12 h 49
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Eventually, at least one of Gauthier, Lemieux, Labanc, Strome get moved to make room for Pajuniemi and whoever else may be coming up as a result of 2020 1st rd picks.
30 avr. 2020 à 12 h 50
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Quoting: Torontoleafs15
That's a pretty fast no from San Jose. They aren't trading their first


Important to note that it's the 2021 1st and not their 2020 1st.

Also, the projection here is that Georgiev's value is considerably high at this point in time, definitely warranting the 1st, considering that a 2nd is going back as well.
30 avr. 2020 à 12 h 52
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Important to note that it's the 2021 1st and not their 2020 1st.

Also, the projection here is that Georgiev's value is considerably high at this point in time, definitely warranting the 1st, considering that a 2nd is going back as well.


Backup goalies dont get first
I don't think san Jose will be good next year so why would they trade their pick?
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30 avr. 2020 à 12 h 54
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Trades look pretty close. Though resigning Strome looks like a pretty terrible idea. And I'd bet you're looking at Tyler Wall or Huska not Bernier. And Robertson at LHD not Lindgren. And most likely their 2020 1st in the lineup.
30 avr. 2020 à 12 h 55
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Georgiev splits starts with Shesty first half of the season. Georgiev is seen as a bonafide starter at that point in time and plays well.

He signs a 6-8 yr deal with San Jose, securing their G for the next year or two, as well as the following 4-6 where they start to try to contend again.
30 avr. 2020 à 12 h 58
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Seems like every Rangers fan on here thinks that D’Angelo is the man, why do you think he would sign a 4 x 6 million extension when Trouba signed an 8 million extension with very similar numbers before signing his deal. If I’m putting up better numbers than an 8 million dollar D I’d be after a bigger better deal than him.
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Trades look pretty close. Though resigning Strome looks like a pretty terrible idea. And I'd bet you're looking at Tyler Wall or Huska not Bernier. And Robertson at LHD not Lindgren. And most likely their 2020 1st in the lineup.


I think I would expect to see Reunanen before Robertson, and neither are LHD anyway, right?

I could imagine Huska, but don't see it with Wall, not yet. If they end up with a top 10 pick in 2020 (likely) you're probably right, but I didn't want to do too much speculating. 1yr in HFD (actually, a really really good HFD team) probably wouldn't do the 2020 1st rounder any harm.
30 avr. 2020 à 12 h 59
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Quoting: Habs_Hfx10
Seems like every Rangers fan on here thinks that D’Angelo is the man, why do you think he would sign a 4 x 6 million extension when Trouba signed an 8 million extension with very similar numbers before signing his deal. If I’m putting up better numbers than an 8 million dollar D I’d be after a bigger better deal than him.


This is a 2021-22 roster, so I actually had him sign a 5x6, which seems entirely reasonable.
30 avr. 2020 à 13 h 16
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I think I would expect to see Reunanen before Robertson, and neither are LHD anyway, right?

I could imagine Huska, but don't see it with Wall, not yet. If they end up with a top 10 pick in 2020 (likely) you're probably right, but I didn't want to do too much speculating. 1yr in HFD (actually, a really really good HFD team) probably wouldn't do the 2020 1st rounder any harm.


both are LHD actually....much less Jones. lol
30 avr. 2020 à 13 h 18
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Sharks just signed Melnichuk, so not going to happen. He should be ready in a year.
30 avr. 2020 à 13 h 35
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Andersson is well on his way to becoming the next Sean Avery. Detroit says no thanks to Andersson. Hájek is a good defender with very little offensive up side. If you look at Detroit's defense is the only defenseman with an offensive upside is Hronek. Since Detroit is still rebuilding why would they give up 2 picks for 2 players that are taking long to develop than the team originally expected. I would probably trade these pick for Georgiev since he has already proved he can play in the NHL.
30 avr. 2020 à 14 h 22
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Andersson is well on his way to becoming the next Sean Avery. Detroit says no thanks to Andersson. Hájek is a good defender with very little offensive up side. If you look at Detroit's defense is the only defenseman with an offensive upside is Hronek. Since Detroit is still rebuilding why would they give up 2 picks for 2 players that are taking long to develop than the team originally expected. I would probably trade these pick for Georgiev since he has already proved he can play in the NHL.


Fair point on not wanting to trade the picks for the players if you think they're not developing quickly enough (mostly true), however, care to give me your analysis on how Andersson = Avery? That is like saying Zadina = Bryzgalov. There is literally nothing similar between the two players..
30 avr. 2020 à 17 h 43
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Trades look pretty close. Though resigning Strome looks like a pretty terrible idea. And I'd bet you're looking at Tyler Wall or Huska not Bernier. And Robertson at LHD not Lindgren. And most likely their 2020 1st in the lineup.


i'd be shocked if robertson is ready by the 21-22 season. he is going to play another whl season. going straight to the nhl from the whl would be a mistake. last ranger to do that was howden and he clearly wasn't ready.

additionally, lindgren is legit. they'll be able to re-sign him cheap on a bridge deal.
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Andersson is well on his way to becoming the next Sean Avery. Detroit says no thanks to Andersson. Hájek is a good defender with very little offensive up side. If you look at Detroit's defense is the only defenseman with an offensive upside is Hronek. Since Detroit is still rebuilding why would they give up 2 picks for 2 players that are taking long to develop than the team originally expected. I would probably trade these pick for Georgiev since he has already proved he can play in the NHL.


if andersson becomes the next avery i want him to stay on broadway! avery was a good player...
30 avr. 2020 à 17 h 49
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I think I would expect to see Reunanen before Robertson, and neither are LHD anyway, right?

I could imagine Huska, but don't see it with Wall, not yet. If they end up with a top 10 pick in 2020 (likely) you're probably right, but I didn't want to do too much speculating. 1yr in HFD (actually, a really really good HFD team) probably wouldn't do the 2020 1st rounder any harm.


both LD.

wall is more highly regarded by scouts than huska is. walls numbers been sick for a college goalie the last 2 seasons.
30 avr. 2020 à 18 h 17
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i'd be shocked if robertson is ready by the 21-22 season. he is going to play another whl season. going straight to the nhl from the whl would be a mistake. last ranger to do that was howden and he clearly wasn't ready.

additionally, lindgren is legit. they'll be able to re-sign him cheap on a bridge deal.


Yeah pretty strongly disagree across the board. Robertson doesn't have anything to prove at the WHL level, his defensive game is polished, he's already at NHL size and speed, and his offensive production has been steady. Those are usually the reasons you leave a prospect down in juniors. But players with polish like Robertson usually go right to AHL after a year of juniors. Most recently Alexander Alexeyev, Cal Foote before him. Those are probably better comps of former WHL players.

Robertson most likely spends 20-21 adjusting to AHL play and maybe even get a cup of coffee. And he's up in 21-22.

Lindgren is fine. Solid 3rd pairing guy that can hit people. Like a young Gudas. Who also looks pretty poor offensively without Fox carrying him.
https://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/replacements/1920/NYR/lindgry98/wrap

But he's also a tier or 2 below guys like Miller and Robertson. If you're going to do the likely thing and move 1 of Deangelo or Trouba to the left side (most likely Trouba because he has a ton of experience there) then Lindgren would probably be the odd man out long term. Which is fine he has a ton of trade value.
30 avr. 2020 à 18 h 46
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Yeah pretty strongly disagree across the board. Robertson doesn't have anything to prove at the WHL level, his defensive game is polished, he's already at NHL size and speed, and his offensive production has been steady. Those are usually the reasons you leave a prospect down in juniors. But players with polish like Robertson usually go right to AHL after a year of juniors. Most recently Alexander Alexeyev, Cal Foote before him. Those are probably better comps of former WHL players.

Robertson most likely spends 20-21 adjusting to AHL play and maybe even get a cup of coffee. And he's up in 21-22.

Lindgren is fine. Solid 3rd pairing guy that can hit people. Like a young Gudas. Who also looks pretty poor offensively without Fox carrying him.
https://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/replacements/1920/NYR/lindgry98/wrap

But he's also a tier or 2 below guys like Miller and Robertson. If you're going to do the likely thing and move 1 of Deangelo or Trouba to the left side (most likely Trouba because he has a ton of experience there) then Lindgren would probably be the odd man out long term. Which is fine he has a ton of trade value.


i see you're not familiar with how the canadian hockey league works. the contract they have with the nhl states a player can not leave after 1 season to the ahl. both the players you named were late birthdays. they still played the 2 seasons required by the canadian hockey league. a player can leave after one season only to go to the nhl. it's a stupid rule that should be changed, but it is what it is. the only way robertson can leave the whl is if he makes the rangers out of camp. if robertson makes the rangers out of camp but plays less than 8 games he has to be sent back to the canadian hockey league. whl and ohl have the same contract with the nhl.

for the record i would prefer robertson in the ahl over the whl. but he isn't eligible to play in the ahl until his whl season is over.
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30 avr. 2020 à 18 h 51
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Yeah pretty strongly disagree across the board. Robertson doesn't have anything to prove at the WHL level, his defensive game is polished, he's already at NHL size and speed, and his offensive production has been steady. Those are usually the reasons you leave a prospect down in juniors. But players with polish like Robertson usually go right to AHL after a year of juniors. Most recently Alexander Alexeyev, Cal Foote before him. Those are probably better comps of former WHL players.

Robertson most likely spends 20-21 adjusting to AHL play and maybe even get a cup of coffee. And he's up in 21-22.

Lindgren is fine. Solid 3rd pairing guy that can hit people. Like a young Gudas. Who also looks pretty poor offensively without Fox carrying him.
https://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/replacements/1920/NYR/lindgry98/wrap

But he's also a tier or 2 below guys like Miller and Robertson. If you're going to do the likely thing and move 1 of Deangelo or Trouba to the left side (most likely Trouba because he has a ton of experience there) then Lindgren would probably be the odd man out long term. Which is fine he has a ton of trade value.


they should move one of their RD to the left. i was reading a couple months ago that quinn doesn't like playing defenseman on their offside. i also watched a press confidence that he said he doesn't like playing guys on their offside because it doesn't work in his defensive system. something like that.
30 avr. 2020 à 19 h 0
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they should move one of their RD to the left. i was reading a couple months ago that quinn doesn't like playing defenseman on their offside. i also watched a press confidence that he said he doesn't like playing guys on their offside because it doesn't work in his defensive system. something like that.


tbh, this defensive system is crap, so if it goes against that, it's probably a good thing.
30 avr. 2020 à 19 h 14
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tbh, this defensive system is crap, so if it goes against that, it's probably a good thing.


i don't disagree with you. although gorton and JD probably does. they seem to be happy with ruff for whatever reason they have. the team did play better defensively as the season went a long. but it was hard to go backwards after their start lol.
30 avr. 2020 à 19 h 19
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i don't disagree with you. although gorton and JD probably does. they seem to be happy with ruff for whatever reason they have. the team did play better defensively as the season went a long. but it was hard to go backwards after their start lol.


I mean the main "improvement" was simply getting Hajek out of the lineup and playing Fox more. Also post deadline (and thus post-Skjei) the defense was once again terrible. I would think JD might make a move with Ruff this offseason after he had a year to watch
30 avr. 2020 à 19 h 59
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I mean the main "improvement" was simply getting Hajek out of the lineup and playing Fox more. Also post deadline (and thus post-Skjei) the defense was once again terrible. I would think JD might make a move with Ruff this offseason after he had a year to watch


imo, the team had more problems with their forwards playing defense rather than their defenders.
30 avr. 2020 à 20 h 30
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Quoting: Sagecoll
Trades look pretty close. Though resigning Strome looks like a pretty terrible idea. And I'd bet you're looking at Tyler Wall or Huska not Bernier. And Robertson at LHD not Lindgren. And most likely their 2020 1st in the lineup.


chytil isn't ready yet. strome>chytil
30 avr. 2020 à 20 h 32
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Quoting: Torontoleafs15
Backup goalies dont get first
I don't think san Jose will be good next year so why would they trade their pick?


georgiev probably isn't worth a first but he isn't a backup goalie. would be the best goalie on the leafs.
 
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