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Grzelcyk for Puljujarvi

Créé par: kscoop
Équipe: 2020-21 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 30 avr. 2020
Publié: 30 avr. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
I believe Puljujarvi would benefit greatly from playing in Boston with the amount of leadership on the team. I also think a change of scenery would help him as he obviously lost his way in Edmonton and was rushed on a team that didn't have any structure. JP numbers in Finland were excellent and could be a wonderful fit as the Bruins 2nd or 3rd line RW. Grzelcyk would be a slight overpay but the Bruins have a LD ready to play in the NHL. Grzelcyk also expendable after Krug re-signs. Studnicka will also be incorporated in the lineup but I don't have him in there right now. He will play a lot of games on line 2/3 as injuries/performance of players arise.
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  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Liste de réserve]
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  1. Grzelcyk, Matt [Droits de RFA]
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30 avr. 2020 à 11 h 32
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Quoting: csick
Get Grzelcyk and flip Nurse for a winger. Im still confused why theyre going to let Nurse walk straight into free agency


Because they have zero concerns that they'll be able to get a long-term deal done next summer - a year before his bridge expires. He's best friends with Connor and Leon, he's not going anywhere.
30 avr. 2020 à 11 h 46
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EDM takes that and runs. This is way too risky for BOS to consider.
30 avr. 2020 à 13 h 41
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This can’t be a serious post. Grzelcyk for Puljujärvi is preposterous.
30 avr. 2020 à 14 h 3
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I struggle to justify giving up a top prospect with #2C upside for a kid that fled the NHL because he couldn't make it on an average Edmonton team. Funny thing is Studnicka was picked using the comp pick that Boston was awarded for...wait for it....Edmonton signing Chia to be their GM tears of joy


Puljujarvi fled because the coaches here stapled him to the corpse of Milan Lucic and let him skate for 8 minutes a night. Anyone with half a brain would find the next flight out of Edmonton with that kind of mismanagement. The Chiarelli regime didn't even hire the kid an English tutor for when he was here. The idea that he just couldn't make it as an Oiler is phenomenally uneducated. Nights when he got to play with the skilled guys up front, his shot metrics were usually in the mid- to high-60% range. But if he didn't produce instantly, he'd be demoted. Often during the same game. This organization had no patience for Puljujarvi and wasted him with every chance they got.

He's 21 years old going on 22, barely a year older than Studnicka. His Liiga production is equivalent with that of a quality third-line winger. He's about exactly where he's supposed to be in his development had Edmonton decided not to rush him. Puljujarvi is not a failed prospect or a bust. His only request is that he never plays for the Oilers again, and when you're subject to that kind of work environment, it's impossible to blame him.
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30 avr. 2020 à 14 h 6
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
This can’t be a serious post. Grzelcyk for Puljujärvi is preposterous.


You're the guy other posters talk about when they said, "brace yourselves, Bruin fans think Grzelcyk will be a Hall of Famer." How much you willing to pay Grzelcyk? Would you rather lose Krug in order to keep Grzelcyk? If you answer yes to losing Krug to keep Grzelcyk you're eye for hockey is horrendous.
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30 avr. 2020 à 14 h 14
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You're the guy other posters talk about when they said, "brace yourselves, Bruin fans think Grzelcyk will be a Hall of Famer." How much you willing to pay Grzelcyk? Would you rather lose Krug in order to keep Grzelcyk? If you answer yes to losing Krug to keep Grzelcyk you're eye for hockey is horrendous.


1. Keep both. I don’t think that’s an issue.
2. I would happily give him 4 million if there’s some decent term (all of this, of course, depends on what happens with the cap)
3. No, if it flat out comes down to krug or grzelcyk, which is way over simplifying things anyhow, i wouldn’t want the bruins to do that. It’s just a weird premise though.
4. If a team has to get rid of a young RFA d man for cap reasons, that doesn’t mean they are required to give him away for a non NHL player. I could actively want the bruins to move grzelcyk, and be of the rather obvious opinion that this is dreadful for Boston. The jets had to get rid of trouba. They didn’t give him away for nothing.
5. I may be that guy you refer to, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong. I didn’t read every post on this thread, but every one i did see said the oilers take that deal and run with it.
30 avr. 2020 à 14 h 17
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I don't think a 2nd Round Pick is necessary. I'll do the third sure, but I struggle to understand how you justify that price when Studnicka has barely played NHL games. Even if you compare their AHL ppg, a 2nd Round Pick is a far cry from reasonable.


The 2nd and 3rd are unnecessary, because boston just flatly says no to the framework of the trade.
30 avr. 2020 à 14 h 26
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Puljujarvi fled because the coaches here stapled him to the corpse of Milan Lucic and let him skate for 8 minutes a night. Anyone with half a brain would find the next flight out of Edmonton with that kind of mismanagement. The Chiarelli regime didn't even hire the kid an English tutor for when he was here. The idea that he just couldn't make it as an Oiler is phenomenally uneducated. Nights when he got to play with the skilled guys up front, his shot metrics were usually in the mid- to high-60% range. But if he didn't produce instantly, he'd be demoted. Often during the same game. This organization had no patience for Puljujarvi and wasted him with every chance they got.

He's 21 years old going on 22, barely a year older than Studnicka. His Liiga production is equivalent with that of a quality third-line winger. He's about exactly where he's supposed to be in his development had Edmonton decided not to rush him. Puljujarvi is not a failed prospect or a bust. His only request is that he never plays for the Oilers again, and when you're subject to that kind of work environment, it's impossible to blame him.


Funny the center he spent the most time with at 5v5 was Connor McDavid w/ RNH being a close 2nd. McDavid is the best player in the world and RNH is no slouch, but sure lets say he didn't before because he had Milan Lucic as a winger.
30 avr. 2020 à 14 h 51
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Funny the center he spent the most time with at 5v5 was Connor McDavid w/ RNH being a close 2nd. McDavid is the best player in the world and RNH is no slouch, but sure lets say he didn't before because he had Milan Lucic as a winger.


Here is JP with McDavid compared to similar wingers with their best center, first 3 years after draft, 5v5 points/60 posted when playing with each teams top center:

Laine: 2.83 (657:26 with Scheifele)
Puljujarvi 2.70 (155:21 with McDavid w/o Lucic)
Pastrnak: 2.13 (648:27 with Bergeron)
Puljujarvi: 2.06 (407:45 with McDavid overall)
Rantanen: 2.02 (1632:30 with MacKinnon)
Nylander: 1.82 (624:42 with Matthews)

Most of Puljujarvi’s time with McDavid over the past 3 years included Lucic on the other wing. Now while Lucic didn’t hurt the young duo’s GF%, he suppressed their offence considerably. So when looking at the small sample size with Lucic removed, Puljujarvi’s scoring looks pretty good against his peers.
30 avr. 2020 à 15 h 2
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Funny the center he spent the most time with at 5v5 was Connor McDavid w/ RNH being a close 2nd. McDavid is the best player in the world and RNH is no slouch, but sure lets say he didn't before because he had Milan Lucic as a winger.


McDavid, RNH, and Draisaitl are also the players he spent the most time away from during his career at even strength. If anything, you're reinforcing my argument. He played almost equally with every pivot Edmonton had and was never given one guy to gain traction with. The difference between time spent with McDavid/RNH and Strome is a matter of a few games at best. The amount of time spent with any center NOT one of Edmonton's big three is greater than the time spent with any of McDavid, Draisaitl, or RNH.

Couple that with playing nearly 700 minutes 5v5 with one of the biggest boat anchors in the league, and you're not likely to produce in any role whatsoever. The team didn't even have the decency to give him time on the powerplay either. I think he managed 60 appearances over 3 years. That's abysmal.
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30 avr. 2020 à 16 h 32
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McDavid, RNH, and Draisaitl are also the players he spent the most time away from during his career at even strength. If anything, you're reinforcing my argument. He played almost equally with every pivot Edmonton had and was never given one guy to gain traction with. The difference between time spent with McDavid/RNH and Strome is a matter of a few games at best. The amount of time spent with any center NOT one of Edmonton's big three is greater than the time spent with any of McDavid, Draisaitl, or RNH.

Couple that with playing nearly 700 minutes 5v5 with one of the biggest boat anchors in the league, and you're not likely to produce in any role whatsoever. The team didn't even have the decency to give him time on the powerplay either. I think he managed 60 appearances over 3 years. That's abysmal.


We'll agree to disagree I guess. At the end of the day no other GM in the NHL has offered up anything substantial in trade offers and that's telling. As you said yourself, his production this year was of a 3rd line winger. A 3rd line winger isn't fetching a teams top prospect and that's why Pool Party remains EDM property.
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1 mai 2020 à 10 h 18
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Quoting: kscoop
You're the guy other posters talk about when they said, "brace yourselves, Bruin fans think Grzelcyk will be a Hall of Famer." How much you willing to pay Grzelcyk? Would you rather lose Krug in order to keep Grzelcyk? If you answer yes to losing Krug to keep Grzelcyk you're eye for hockey is horrendous.


Just ignore him bro.
I want to respond kindly to his comment saying: The bruins LHD can be Krug, Chara, Lauzon next year and then Krug, Urho, Lauzon the year after, they dont actually need Griz (which is true), but I know he will just lash out and be rude and irrational.
Im glad you recognize that.
Also if he does read this and comment, I am ignoring him so it doesnt matter to me lol, just tryna help the good people on this site
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1 mai 2020 à 17 h 5
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Quoting: kscoop
You're the guy other posters talk about when they said, "brace yourselves, Bruin fans think Grzelcyk will be a Hall of Famer." How much you willing to pay Grzelcyk? Would you rather lose Krug in order to keep Grzelcyk? If you answer yes to losing Krug to keep Grzelcyk you're eye for hockey is horrendous.


The best part, as im reading his argument, is that he still doesnt get that the flat cap was confirmed.

I sent him the article. It hasnt been PUBLICLY announced, but it was announced to the players and GMs etc...

He literally cant accept that hes wrong
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