Allen + Bozak for Hutton half retained? Good luck with that.

Hutton had a 0.931 save percentage on the Blues. He is just as good as Allen.

If you retain half on Allen id give you a second. For full price though we arent paying anything

What's it been since then?

Your draft pick round return values are a bit off, but you're headed in the right direction.

About the same as Allen the last 2 years.

908 and 898 vs 905 and 927 is not the same...also it's Bozak and a 2nd for Hutton with less than half retained. Please read the post before commenting.

Actually, since Jan 1 2019 Allen has been a top 10 GK by the percentage numbers, and he's been like the second best road goalie in the league. He's fixed his mechanics and has fixed his confidence issue, and it shows. He looks like a whole new goalie.

Hutton hasn't been good since leaving the Blues, and is only getting progressively worse.

Hutton's last season of above par play was three seasons ago, Allen's was this season. Even if they are "the same" on the Blues, by your logic, I'd much rather have Allen-esque play for a third of the money.

I place it on the Blues having one of the best defence in the league. That's why their goalies have such high save percentages.

If they were on the Leafs their save % would drop drastically because of all the terrible high danger shots given up.



Same. I'd rather a slightly worse backup goalie and save 3M in cap space too. That's why I'm saying these trades aren't fair.

Bozak + Allen for Hutton basically half retained isn't fair. 6.5M in cap space and you just get a slight downgrade on goalie and a third line center...

Hutton save percentage in the last 3 seasons = 0.9123

Allen save percentage in the last 3 seasons = 0.9127

I did read the post. Where did the 2nd round pick come from? ...

Its Bozak + Allen for Hutton 45% retained...
So they have a 0.0004 difference in save % over the last 3 seasons...

I think you need to think before commenting...

The idea here is fine but the value is off.

Allen gets you a 4th round pick and you need about a 2nd round pick to get Hutton retained. You need even more if you want to dump Bozak in that trade as well.

That Faulk contract is brutal

Actually, the Blues were giving up plenty of high danger chances during the first half of the season. And any way you slice it, Allen is near the top of the league in GSAA (goals saved above average) and GSAX (goals saved above expected goals) since Jan. 2019 despite starting only 38 games during that span. He's nearly level with Binnington in those categories, and has stolen a load of points along the way. It's not simply a matter of him skating by because the Blues defense is so good.

As far as Hutton goes, his 17-18 season with the Blues was an obvious outlier. It was the very definition of a career year, as he's never had another season even close to that quality before or since.

You could say the exact same thing about Allen... you could call this year an outlier.

If he performs this way again this year, yes his value goes up. But playing well for 24 games in a backup role (against easier matchups) does not mean he is suddenly an elite starter.

I'd much rather have Georgiev who is younger and under team control and who will likely be significantly cheaper.

Georgiev is worth a 2nd round pick. Allen is not (unless you retain half).

Allen doesn't get easier matchups, check his game log. And it's not an outlier season, either. But I didn't say he's worth a second. He's worth a 4th, a 3rd tops, depending on the team he'd go to.

I agree with you. He's worth an early-mid 4th. My whole point was pointing out that the SJS trade is unrealistic.

You must be high off your ass because first you said 2 seasons and now it's 3 (because season 3 was w the blues)...

Man are you really that thick? Look where the 2nd round pick is coming from...

I honestly dont know if your tolling or not...

Hutton's numbers this year and last year are very similar to Allen's numbers the 2 seasons before this season.

The problem is Allen is not worth a 2nd at his cap hit.
In this post the series of trades leads to the Blues getting Hutton 45% retained for Bozak and Allen...

I see you changed your post I guess you finally thought about it... next time just think before you post.

I don't disagree, but that's also not what the trade here is. I don't think this trade is fair either but an Allen for Hutton swap makes a lot of sense for both sides.

He trades Allen for a 2nd and then flips that 2nd along with Bozak for Hutton 45% retained...



An Allen for Hutton swap would be fair without the retention, however, Buffalo doesn't actually have as much cap space as people seem to think. I agree Allen could make a nice 1b goalie to play with Ullmark though.

To be fair to him, from Buffalo's perspective taking a second and Bozak is much different than taking Allen and Bozak, for the reason you outlined- Buffalo doesn't have as much space as people think, and it's another roster spot. Even if he flips whatever return he got for Allen in a trade to move Bozak, that doesn't equate to "trading Allen and Bozak for Hutton", because that second round pick is not the same as Jake Allen from Buffalo's perspective despite it being the same from the Blues or Sharks' perspective.

And to be fair to me, I did say

You said an Allen for Hutton swap makes sense... but in this post Buffalo doesn't even get Allen back... so I assumed you meant Buffalo gets Allen instead of the second...

If we both agree these trades aren't fair I don't really understand what this discussion is about.