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Manson Brodie

Créé par: jzmaresky
Date de création initiale: avr 23, 2020
Publié: 23 avr à 13 h 42
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
Salary moves to $89,375,000 because of Kesler on LTIR
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya32 200 000 $
Dermott, Travis32 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Clifford, Kyle31 150 000 $
Spezza, Jason1700 000 $
Brodie, TJ45 000 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Kesler, Ryan
  2. Manson, Josh
ANA
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Engvall, Pierre
  3. 2021 4e round pick (TOR)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2389 375 000 $89 236 033 $0 $0 $138 967 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
2 200 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
821 667 $
AG
RFA - 3
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
1 150 000 $
AG
UFA
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DD
UFA
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
ANA
Manson, Josh
4 100 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
2 000 000 $
DG
RFA
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
ANA
Kesler, Ryan
6 875 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 2
TOR
Rosén, Calle
750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
775 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 1

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23 avr à 13 h 46
#1
Rejoint: mar 2020
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Get read for the hate because of the Manson trade 🙄
23 avr à 13 h 47
#2
Pmwalker
Rejoint: avr 2019
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Wouldn’t it be logical for the Ducks to want a young RD prospect for Manson? Isn’t that a huge organizational position of need? Forwards aren’t a necessity glancing at their prospect pool.
OldNYIfan, Dan10900 et Salzy a aimé ceci.
23 avr à 13 h 56
#3
Leafs GM v4
Rejoint: fév 2018
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if they have manson why would they need brodie? they wouldnt
23 avr à 13 h 59
#4
First NY Then LA
Rejoint: jun 2018
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(1) Please tell me which of these LWs you think Engvall would be an upgrade over: Dan Heinen, Sonny Milano, Max Jones.

(2) Please tell me which of these LWs you think Engvall has a higher potential ceiling than: Max Comtois, Braden Tracey.

(3) As @Pmwalker implies, please tell me how we fill the hole at RD that would be created by trading Manson away. We currently have only Erik Gudbranson and prospects Axel Andersson and Hunter Drew under contract on that side.
Salzy a aimé ceci.
23 avr à 14 h 07
#5
HadesOfSocal
Rejoint: déc 2019
Messages: 1,834
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Quoting: MMXD
Get read for the hate because of the Manson trade 🙄


We don’t hate because it’s a Manson trade. We hate it because they never want to return something we NEED we don’t need more wingers
Salzy et OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.
23 avr à 14 h 10
#6
Pmwalker
Rejoint: avr 2019
Messages: 944
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Quoting: Jack_
if they have manson why would they need brodie? they wouldnt


Even if you acquire Manson you need a top 4RD. Holl isn’t there and expecting a guy like Lils to handle top 4 minutes immediately is a recipe for disaster.

Signing Brodie
Trading for Manson with the deal built around Lils
Trading Dermott

Allows a deployment of some combination of Rielly,Brodie, Manson, Muzzin, Sandin and Holl.

That’s a better defense in my opinion and better aligns with the firepower up front making them contenders for sure.
23 avr à 14 h 10
#7
NHL Trade Inspector
Rejoint: fév 2020
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for reference people according to a duck fan this is what gets u Manson

Liligren and a 2nd. Only issue the gm wont do that cause he loves manson so leafs will probs have to overpay to get him

As for brodie. That guy is a major risk and i think he should retire for health reasons. He suffered a seizure so if it happens again leafs signed a 5mill top 4 rd for nothing.
Salzy a aimé ceci.
23 avr à 14 h 12
#8
Rejoint: mar 2020
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Why is the salary cap so high?
23 avr à 14 h 15
#9
Leafs GM v4
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Quoting: Pmwalker
Even if you acquire Manson you need a top 4RD. Holl isn’t there and expecting a guy like Lils to handle top 4 minutes immediately is a recipe for disaster.

Signing Brodie
Trading for Manson with the deal built around Lils
Trading Dermott

Allows a deployment of some combination of Rielly,Brodie, Manson, Muzzin, Sandin and Holl.

That’s a better defense in my opinion and better aligns with the firepower up front making them contenders for sure.


holl has been very good in the top 4 and liljegren will be a good 6th defenseman. the cap space saved instead of signing brodie could be far better optomised
23 avr à 14 h 16
#10
LongtimeLeafsufferer
Rejoint: jui 2015
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Kinda ridiculous to expect a 89.5m cap. Brodie for 5m X 4 no thanks. Even Manson isn't that special any more. But seemingly the Leafs just have to other teams RHDs. What is the purpose of the Kesler trade? If he's permanently on LTIR it is no benefit/or harm to the Leafs or Duck on whose roster he is on. Leafs certainly don't want his cap if there is the possibility he ever is deemed medically fit.
MMXD a aimé ceci.
23 avr à 14 h 17
#11
mackinnon goat
Rejoint: aoû 2017
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AGM doesnt apply the cap hit of players on LTIR to the cap. The cap hit is absurdly high
23 avr à 14 h 19
#12
Pmwalker
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Quoting: Jack_
holl has been very good in the top 4 and liljegren will be a good 6th defenseman. the cap space saved instead of signing brodie could be far better optomised


Holl isn’t a top 4 on a contender. Adding Brodie and Manson to the top 4 would be a big upgrade.
It cost you Lils but you can recoup an asset or 2 for Dermott and still have Sandin.
23 avr à 14 h 35
#13
Leafs GM v4
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Quoting: Pmwalker
Holl isn’t a top 4 on a contender. Adding Brodie and Manson to the top 4 would be a big upgrade.
It cost you Lils but you can recoup an asset or 2 for Dermott and still have Sandin.


they could get a 3rd for dermott without a doubt
23 avr à 14 h 41
#14
a RATIONAL Leaf Fan
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You need to give a top prospect, (Liljegren/Der-arguchintsev), a high pick, (maybe a 2nd), and a regular centre/winger (Kerfoot/Johnsson.) and thats rock bottom offer. it would probably end up as Liljegren, Der-arguchintsev, a 2nd, and Kapanen
23 avr à 14 h 53
#15
Rejoint: nov 2018
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Quoting: Pmwalker
Wouldn’t it be logical for the Ducks to want a young RD prospect for Manson? Isn’t that a huge organizational position of need? Forwards aren’t a necessity glancing at their prospect pool.


95% of leaf fans don’t know what logic is

Quoting: OldNYIfan
(1) Please tell me which of these LWs you think Engvall would be an upgrade over: Dan Heinen, Sonny Milano, Max Jones.

(2) Please tell me which of these LWs you think Engvall has a higher potential ceiling than: Max Comtois, Braden Tracey.

(3) As @Pmwalker implies, please tell me how we fill the hole at RD that would be created by trading Manson away. We currently have only Erik Gudbranson and prospects Axel Andersson and Hunter Drew under contract on that side.


Who looks at both teams needs and organizational depth on here you’re being ridiculous 😂
23 avr à 14 h 58
#16
Go Wings Go
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Once again how does that benefit Anaheim? How many times does it need to be said Leafs want Manson Anaheim wants Liljegren, Kesler isn't waiving his NMC for Toronto so that's a no go. Trade doesn't benefit Anaheim one iota here.
23 avr à 15 h 12
#17
NHL Trade Inspector
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Quoting: Salzy
95% of leaf fans don’t know what logic is



Who looks at both teams needs and organizational depth on here you’re being ridiculous 😂


yep I am one of the few who thinks logically like when someone says a draft player is better than a star player I go "give me a full nhl season with both players and lets compare their advanced stats and point totals before I agree".

I agree with duck fans if manson goes a RHD like liligren needs to come back with a 2nd pick +. may be an overpayment to some but lets face it both teams need RHD and both teams want to go to the playoffs. If the leafs want to get passed round 1 which they can do only with an improved Dcore. Dubas knows this so he will be busy trading for some good defenseman (maybe even manson) who knows.
Salzy a aimé ceci.
23 avr à 16 h 06
#18
Leafs GM v4
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
(1) Please tell me which of these LWs you think Engvall would be an upgrade over: Dan Heinen, Sonny Milano, Max Jones.

(2) Please tell me which of these LWs you think Engvall has a higher potential ceiling than: Max Comtois, Braden Tracey.

(3) As @Pmwalker implies, please tell me how we fill the hole at RD that would be created by trading Manson away. We currently have only Erik Gudbranson and prospects Axel Andersson and Hunter Drew under contract on that side.


The ducks wont be good for a few seasons. It makes so much sense to trade him when they dont need him. He'll be 29 next season with two years left. His contract expires the year he turns 31 so it would be dumb to lock him up long term when hes a ufa. At his age he's starting to decline and the ducks wont be getting any better. Imo keeping manson makes no sense
MMXD a aimé ceci.
23 avr à 18 h 40
#19
Rejoint: avr 2019
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Quoting: MMXD
Get read for the hate because of the Manson trade 🙄


Josh Manson is the Dodge Magnum of Dmen in the NHL, seems like a good idea at time of purchase but ultimately will be trade filled with regret
MMXD a aimé ceci.
23 avr à 18 h 47
#20
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Quoting: Boomer125
Josh Manson is the Dodge Magnum of Dmen in the NHL, seems like a good idea at time of purchase but ultimately will be trade filled with regret

I’ve been saying this. He’s not worth the asking price on him
23 avr à 18 h 48
#21
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Quoting: Jack_
The ducks wont be good for a few seasons. It makes so much sense to trade him when they dont need him. He'll be 29 next season with two years left. His contract expires the year he turns 31 so it would be dumb to lock him up long term when hes a ufa. At his age he's starting to decline and the ducks wont be getting any better. Imo keeping manson makes no sense

Exactly, by the time they’re ready to contend, he’ll be next to useless for them
 
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