Ryan Pulock?

So this is based on Wins Above Replacement the Formula is *3.3+1.1 and then you get how much they are worth in decimals.

Soooooooo Ryan pulock has a contract coming up...

Precisely why nobody should ever use advanced stats as their primary point of view on hockey players

Not saying that you should only focus on them but when it comes to this it actually shows how good a player really is all around. Pettersson for example, all of his numbers are very good and then you watch him play and you understand why its that way. Then Laine or Connor on the jets for example. Very good shooting talents but overall pretty meh at best

Stats such as WAR can be somewhat useful, but they lack context.

My stance on them is that they can be used to further support what you see on the ice, and not the other way around.

Both Ehlers and Kase I have talked to guys who said based off eye test alone they're the best forwards on their teams (when Kase was in ANA) I think that analytics usually line up pretty well with GOOD eye tests (not people who use the general consensus and claim it's "eye test") Demelo does as well, at least according to PoMo, and ik Fox does, he's insane at stopping the rush, he's so smart

Exactly what context do they lack?

Agreed like I just don't understand how you can look at points and be like "WOW hes great", or "Wow hes bad". There is so much more that goes into it. Like when I watch the jets play, my eyes say hellebuyck, scheifele, and Ehlers are the best, and what do the underlying numbers say? that they are the best as well. When I watch Laine and Connor what do I see? Two players who have deadly shots when given space. Do they create that space themselves though? for the most part, NO. Do they play solid defense? No. So the eye-test and the analytics line up when you can see outside of G, A, PTS

Exactly, and even to an extent with some players, points lie, Drai who is likely gonna run away with the Hart scored nearly 50% of his points on one of the best PP's ever, and was also helped by playing an absurd amount in general, take that all into consideration he's 8th in 5v5 P/60, not so great... (I mean still very very good, you know what I mean lol) plus the eye test also backs up him being terrible defensively, I watched some of those condensed games and he just drifts through the NZ and throws like a half hearted poke check at the guy with the puck SO MUCH, but bc he plays on the PK he must be elite defensively (even tho he had one of the worst impacts on a 4v5 PK in the league...)

Depends on the stat. WAR doesn't account for QoT or QoC, both of which have a huge effect on individual on-ice performance.

Ya i mean yeah and then watch a guy like Panarin. I watched that game live when the rangers came here in February and he dominated the jets in every single area of the ice, while still being very fun and exciting to watch. That also another misconception for non stat users. They believe that the only players that have good advaned numbers are "scrubs" and "fourth liners". Thats hardly the case. For the most part, the top players in the game in terms of general belief are some of the best advanced stats players in the game as well. Like Mack, eichel, Matthews. All considered very good to the general hockey community. The stats support those statements for the most part.

The purpose was not to show actual value, but it was meant to just be for fun. If you want actual context in trying for this it’s more of using GAR/GARx with WAR mix that in with the minimum contract you can go by you have your formula for an actual basis. This was more just me going through it noticing WAR and turning them into Contracts solely based on WAR. Now if you want just be a troll that’s another thing bud.

The typical "Oh PeR 60 sTaTs (or insert and analytic you for the most part) JuSt FaVoRs ScRuBs LiKe KaSe" is such a common misconception, like just go to NST out something and sort by P/60, the leaders are all superstar players for the most part... (I just keep saying p/60 bc I feel it's the least different from common perception, and is a good "first stat" to start looking at for people who hate analytics, but all of your points are largely supported by RAPM stats, GAR, and other stats like CF% and xG% etc)

I’m not using this exact formula as a sole basis that’s not my intent. WAR and GAR is a great basis for any type of contract use, but what you lack is the idea behind them. If you only go by Eye, people think Lucic is amazing and you thinks he’s all that good, but Advanced Stats users knew it was a bad deal, and guess what it turned into.

Tbh I should have said don’t read because honestly that was me just looking at something on a list lol, and it was solely based on WAR, I’m trying to figure out how to insert GAR and Corsi into the factoring as well.

Can you work out Matt Benning's value using the WAR formula above? I'm curious.

Yes it’s probably not going to be all that good.

False in two ways, A. GAR at least takes into account (I believe is largely based off of, but I've never seen their formula so idk) RAPM which is sort of like a WOWY with ever player on your team, so yes it does take into account QoT, and B. QoC is largely inconsequential on a players performance, my estimate is that it's less than 10% as influential as QoT, but that's just a rough estimate based off many articles that have described why QoC doesn't particularly matter, the players coach can't control the opposing teams lines so it ends up that the 4th liners happen to go against the opposing teams first lines about the same % of their toi as their first line, sometimes more depending on the team... Plus the margin of skill between the best and worst 5 man units in most scenarios isn't big enough that a miniscule difference in the % of time vs high end competition causes all that much change in a players performance.

Humor me.

Benning is p good analytically last I checked

2016-17 Measurements WAR 1.6 - $6,380,000
2017-18 Measurements WAR 1 - $4,400,000
2018-19 Measurements WAR 2 - $7,700,000
2019-20 Measurements WAR 0.9 - $4,070,000

0.9 WAR Is better than I expected.

Plus that's totals (I think) and he was hurt for a good bit of the year iirc