dear other fan bases, stop pretending this sort of thing is just done by Leafs fans.

@JaredOfLondon Sorry if I come off like a dick. Not my purpose. Its just this convo has been happening between these two fan bases for awhile.

Edit: Plus the leafs make the most serious offers

and? these conversations are ongoing between every fan base. Leafs fans are constantly bombarded with crap offers for their own players all the time, like take a look at any Mitch Marner thread, it's ridiculous. and yet every week or so there is another post similar to this one where some fan of another team tries to keep it real about their own player value or team needs. You may not be trying to be a dick, but it's impossible that you've been around here (or any other part of the internet) and think this is just a Leaf fans for Manson thing.

This has gone on for a few years, the any RHD is going to be a miracle saviour for the Leafs. Fact is Manson is now just an average to good NHLer....hardly a difference maker in the next two years.
The trade proposed... Leafs would be 10 times better keeping Liljegren, their picks, and then they would have 3,2 to acquire another player likely a Dman. Leaf like so many other teams who are close to the cap really can't afford to make a trade without equally cap coming and going.

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@JaredofLondon Yea I stay away from the Marner discussion, didn't know that. But from my pov I see Manson discussion come from leaf fans. I don't think its just a leaf thing. However, I could see the possibility of it actually happening.

@Palhal thats why I say get an rd in FA. I agree with your points

I think we can come to the conclusion, Toronto isn't not willing to give up more than a bargain for their players because they think of them so highly, but at the same point other teams are not willing to give up a Top RHD because it's just not an interest especially when it's very difficult to find that type of player anymore that is actually worth something. Toronto has the most serious conversations when it comes to actual trades because they are so much in a hole, that they need to fill other teams aren't willing to give up for so cheap. Which is why I don't think Seth Jones, Brett Pesce, Alex Pietrangelo, Colton Parayko, Josh Manson, Hampus Lindholm, or what was once said John Klingberg to Toronto because Toronto just isn't willing to give up the market value for that type of player. Face value is what they want to give up and that's not what teams are in the market for especially buyers. Sellers are more willing to give those type of players up (aka Anaheim), but at the same time they want to try and build around those core players, but it's for a huge chunk of change to get them, and that is where the arguments are at. Toronto feels that their players is worth more than what the Seller has counteroffered, so Toronto asks them to add a little bit, well now the Seller feels they are being screwed in a deal, so they ask for more and it goes back and forth back and forth back and forth. It's the same thing every time.

You're not wrong, but there are a hell of a lot more leafs fans=a hell of a lot more leafs related posts=a hell of a lot more posts where the leafs fleece every other team, and if you'd pay attention to other teams posts, I've seen plenty of posts that say, hey team x (x != Leafs) fans, stop posting trades with y player, he's not available, or fits our team needs too well (I did one with Kase and Ritchie... Those obv didn't work out so well... But I've seen ones with McCann from PIT, someone from VAN, Strome in CHI, Domi in MTL etc)

I have suggested that the Leaf can "giveaway" Johnsson as long as no cap comes back...then they enough cap for a competent Dman.
So in effect the "trade" is 3.4m Johnsson for a 3m competent UFA as you suggest.
Reilly, Muzzin, Sandin, Holl, Dermot, Liljegren, Marincin....that' seven dmen at 17m or so....surely the Leafs can afford another NHL Dman.

The Leafs fans as victim's is precious considering half the people on here are leafs fans.