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Créé par: AnalyticsGeek

Équipe: 2019-20 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 9 avr. 2020

Publié: 9 avr. 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Regardless how good the back to back cup achievement felt as a Pens fan, it was still disappointing that they didn’t 3peat. They could’ve cemented their legacy as the best team of the salary cap era. It’s true that the Penguins likely ran out of gas that playoffs plus several key players were dealing with major injury, however, I still feel some moves could’ve been done differently throughout the season.

The Ryan Reaves trade was a mistake from the beginning. You never trade for a player who you know is not gonna fit into your team, regardless how good he is. They should’ve traded Oskar Sundqvist & their 2017 1st to Florida for Jared McCann instead. That would’ve given them a solution at 3C following the departure of Bonino & they wouldn’t have had to go after Brassard. Kevin Hayes was another option. JG Pageau as well.

I understand why the team signed Matt Hunwick as they lost both Trevor Daley and Ron Hainsey, plus, he played respectably in a top 4 role alongside Morgan Rielly the season before, but they should've traded for a younger right-handed defenseman. Trading Conor Sheary for Dylan DeMelo would've been perfect at the time.

Instead of trading for Brassard, I would’ve traded with Toronto for one of Marner or Kapanen instead.

The rest of the moves were fine, and while it's true this team would've probably had to have gotten blown up the season after, to win 3 straight cups would've been more than worth it.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

CRÉÉ	ANS	CAP HIT
McCann, Jared	1	894 167 $
DeMelo, Dylan	1	700 000 $
Guentzel, Jake	2	870 000 $
Rust, Bryan	1	700 000 $
Hagelin, Carl	2	4 000 000 $
Kessel, Phil	4	6 800 000 $
Sheahan, Riley	1	2 075 000 $
Aston-Reese, Zach	2	925 000 $
Kuhnhackl, Tom	1	700 000 $
Maatta, Olli	5	4 083 333 $
Oleksiak, Jamie	1	2 137 000 $
Desmith, Casey	2	700 000 $
Rowney, Carter	1	700 000 $
Jooris, Josh	1	700 000 $
Kapanen, Kasperi	2	894 167 $
Hornqvist, Patric	1	4 250 000 $

Transactions

PIT

Jared McCann

*Done At 2017 Draft

FLA

Oskar Sundqvist

PIT

1st Round Pick (Henri Jokiharju)

CHI

2017 1st Round Pick
2017 4th Round Pick

*Done At 2017 Draft

PIT

Dylan DeMelo

SJS

Conor Sheary

*Trade Done During 2017 Offseason

PIT

Kasperi Kapanen

TOR

2018 1st Round Pick

*Done At Trade Deadline

Enfoui

Casey DeSmith: 175 000 $ (1 250 000 $)

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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
25	75 000 000 $	72 361 167 $	132 500 $	0 $	2 638 833 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Guentzel, Jake 870 000 $870 000 $	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 6	Hornqvist, Patric 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
Hagelin, Carl 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $	Malkin, Evgeni 9 500 000 $9 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Rust, Bryan 700 000 $700 000 $
Simon, Dominik 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1		Kessel, Phil 6 800 000 $6 800 000 $
		Kapanen, Kasperi 894 167 $894 167 $
Aston-Reese, Zach 925 000 $925 000 $	McCann, Jared 894 167 $894 167 $
	Sheahan, Riley 2 075 000 $2 075 000 $

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Dumoulin, Brian 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Letang, Kris 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Murray, Matt 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Schultz, Justin 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1
	DeMelo, Dylan 700 000 $700 000 $	Desmith, Casey 700 000 $700 000 $
Maatta, Olli 4 083 333 $4 083 333 $
Oleksiak, Jamie 2 137 000 $2 137 000 $

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Kuhnhackl, Tom 700 000 $700 000 $		Guentzel, Jake 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5
Jooris, Josh 700 000 $700 000 $		Rust, Bryan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
Rowney, Carter 700 000 $700 000 $		Tanev, Brandon 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 6
Jarry, Tristan 675 000 $675 000 $ G UFA - 1		Zucker, Jason 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 4
Ruhwedel, Chad 700 000 $700 000 $ DD UFA - 2		Sheary, Conor 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
		McCann, Jared 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1
		Aston-Reese, Zach 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
		Marleau, Patrick 700 000 $700 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1
		Bjugstad, Nick 2 050 000 $2 050 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2
		Rodrigues, Evan 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1
		Hörnqvist, Patric 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD NTC UFA - 4
		Riikola, Juuso 850 000 $850 000 $ DG UFA - 1
		Pettersson, Marcus 874 125 $874 125 $ DG UFA - 1
		Marino, John 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD UFA - 2
		Johnson, Jack 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DG UFA - 4
		Blueger, Teddy 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Kessel, P.		Crosby, S.	Malkin, E.
	Schultz, J.

Avantage numérique 2
Simon, D.		McCann, J.		Guentzel, J.
	Maatta, O.		Letang, K.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Sheahan, R.	Kuhnhackl, T.
	Dumoulin, B.	Letang, K.

Infériorité numérique 2
	McCann, J.	Aston-Reese, Z.
	Oleksiak, J.	DeMelo, D.

9 avr. 2020 à 18 h 50

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@Grusofsky96 @Chigurrhh @CHUG @mhockey91 @Sidstick87 @MajesticWalrus @ChampEddy @Eugene_Meltsner @acj @Sebybbq @MTF @NoWah49 @Marcsnack @csick @ryandrisc @TabooPenguo @Jr_pens @claysbar @Missouri

Do you guys think this team would've had a better chance at 3peating?

9 avr. 2020 à 18 h 51

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McCann at the time wouldn't have costed a first. Sheary for DeMelo could've worked. I think that trade happens in 2018 though after Sheary's "meh" season. He was worth more than DeMelo in 2017 after coming off back to back cups and leading the NHL in Even Strength Primary PPG. Marner trade NEVER would've happened

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9 avr. 2020 à 18 h 58

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Marner for Guentzel+Rust+Schutlz if they took him on an ELC

9 avr. 2020 à 19 h 19

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Quoting: mhockey91

Thanks for the feedback. You are right about the McCann trade & probably right about Sheary as well. Perhaps the Toronto trade is not realistic, but I feel the value would at least be fair for the Leafs.

9 avr. 2020 à 19 h 20

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Quoting: jassan28

Marner for Guentzel+Rust+Schutlz if they took him on an ELC

That’s too much. While Marner was only on an ELC, he wasn’t the 90 point player he is today. Pens weren’t gonna give up Guentzel who set a playoff record for goals by a rookie.

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9 avr. 2020 à 21 h 7

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

That’s too much. While Marner was only on an ELC, he wasn’t the 90 point player he is today. Pens weren’t gonna give up Guentzel who set a playoff record for goals by a rookie.

Marner was going to be a Patrick Kane with the London Knights rink, he was young, small and light but in the conversation for the Calder. Marner will be a perennial 100 point player but not much defensive game

9 avr. 2020 à 21 h 11

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Quoting: jassan28

Marner’s defensive game was alright this season, he finished 13% above the league percentile in defensive contribution per Micah Blake McCurdy. I do expect him to hit 100 points multiple times.

10 avr. 2020 à 0 h 33

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I don't know.
I would like to think that bringing marner in might change the attitude a bit. But then again his father has rotted his head. He needed someone to cage Paul before it was too late.
I look at that TOR team, and what has happened there, especially with their cap, and I can't help but think Paul played a huge role in that and the attitude of those guys.

Does anyone really want Jake hanging around with Marner at that point. What does Jake ask for a contract with Paul's poison.
I don't think Marner would have ever fit in here, I think it would have had a detrimental effect.
Sometimes count your blessings for the things that didn't happen to you.

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10 avr. 2020 à 9 h 15

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Quoting: mhockey91

Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

Shearys value was at its peak then, and as a result the pens wouldn’t have wanted to move him. He was a great winger for Sid that season. McCann wasn’t all that much then so he wouldn’t cost that much. Sheary trade would probably work. About the “weekly Toronto MM deal”, I ultimately think Toronto wouldn’t give up on a young player that soon. Even if he had a slump, he was still very young and Toronto was rebuilding so why trade a piece of that?

10 avr. 2020 à 9 h 17

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Quoting: pharrow

Very possible. Who knows if we had traded for Marner we might have traded him away last year because we couldn’t afford him. Even if he took less than 10.9, it would of had to be a bridge for 6-7M. Jake might have asked for a big deal too with that voice in his ear.

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10 avr. 2020 à 11 h 12

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Quoting: Pens3lieve

Thanks for the feedback. All fair points.

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10 avr. 2020 à 11 h 14

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Quoting: pharrow

Quoting: Pens3lieve

Yeah no doubt Mitch Marner’s dad is a cancer & his behaviour negatively impacted both his son & the team. Most likely they would’ve had to trade him after 2018-19 because they could only afford one of him & Jake.

10 avr. 2020 à 11 h 29

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@PakNation7 @Jesus @datools @nixon1331 @AFOX10900 @leafs101 @justaboss @OldNYIfan @SlickWilly @exo2769 @buffalofan @rangersandislesfan What’d you guys think of this hindsight Pens team I made for 2017-18? Do you think they would’ve 3peated?

10 avr. 2020 à 11 h 41

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Marner was just picked 4th overall two years before and had been playing a near 70 point season - a rare feat for a 20 year old player. That offer would've been a laughable joke even then.

10 avr. 2020 à 12 h 3

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Quoting: justaBoss

Marner was just picked 4th overall two years before and had been playing a near 70 point season - a rare feat for a 20 year old player. That offer would've been a laughable joke even then.

Yeah but you have to keep in mind Hornqvist was a 30 goal scorer back then & Cole was a good top 4 defender. That gives everything Toronto needs, add the top goalie prospect & 1st round pick, it’s a significant package.

10 avr. 2020 à 12 h 27

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

I think they wouldve 3peated if they had gotten past the Caps, so in that regard I think I would keep Hornqvist and add a James Neal gritty but scoring guy, because Wilson ran right through them that serious and just tilted the heck out of the Pens. I dont think a grinder would've helped, but someone to agitate back while putting pucks in the zone would have definitely set them apart. It was a really close series though and Idk how much different it wouldve needed to be

10 avr. 2020 à 13 h 14

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Quoting: SlickWilly

Thanks for the feedback. Indeed the Caps beat the Pens real bad on the physical side of the game. I definitely could’ve kept Hornqvist & I love Neal, but I’m not sure if that was the reason why the Caps won. It seemed the Penguins had a lack of contribution from depth players & had a number of defensive breakdowns that costed them the series. They seemed to have the upper hand in controlling play. Perhaps I could’ve traded that Marner package for someone like Tkachuk instead.

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10 avr. 2020 à 14 h 15

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

Back then TOR was no good, still retooling. Hörnqvist and Cole would've been completely unnecessary for them.

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10 avr. 2020 à 16 h 25

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Quoting: justaBoss

Back then TOR was no good, still retooling. Hörnqvist and Cole would've been completely unnecessary for them.

The Leafs were a playoff team that season & took Boston to 7 games. Hornqvist would’ve given some grit, checking & clutch scoring ability whereas Cole would’ve added stability & physicality to their defense. Their team could’ve been:

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Kadri-Hornqvist
JVR-Bozak-Brown
Komarov-Plekanec-Martin

Cole-Gardiner
Rielly-Hainsey
Dermott-Zaitsev

Definitely a playoff team that could at least win a series.

10 avr. 2020 à 16 h 30

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

Could win a playoff series in theory against anyone but boston...lol. boston has their number.

10 avr. 2020 à 16 h 35

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

While they may have had some impact for the team, it's inconceivable that what Marner brought them was much more of use...he was statistically their best player. 39th overall in points, Hörnqvist 119th. Not to mention he was just 20 years old on his ELC, while Hörnqvist and Cole were both pending UFAs...

Once again, absolutely zero reason for Leafs to even consider it.

Leafs' team could've win a playoff series with the team they had. They just f*cked it up in the last game.

10 avr. 2020 à 17 h 2

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Quoting: justaBoss

I understand what you’re trying to say but personally, I still believe the offer is substantial enough for Toronto. Hornqvist & Cole would’ve both been great fits with the team plus had playoff experience. If TOR wanted to extend them, it was very possible.

10 avr. 2020 à 17 h 3

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Quoting: Pens3lieve

Could win a playoff series in theory against anyone but boston...lol. boston has their number.

Agree they will never win against Boston.

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14 avr. 2020 à 11 h 16

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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite

Yeah I think so! I really like what you've done here! I'm always a "think big" kinda guy and I really like the addition of Marner.

14 avr. 2020 à 11 h 21

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Quoting: Missouri

Yeah I think so! I really like what you've done here! I'm always a "think big" kinda guy and I really like the addition of Marner.

Thanks for the feedback. I think Marner would’ve added more dynamic to the Pens offence for sure.

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