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Créé par: Wqrrior
Date de création initiale: avr 8, 2020
Publié: 8 avr 2020 à 1 h 53
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Weegar, MacKenzie43 000 000 $
Wallmark, Lucas11 500 000 $
Mikheyev, Ilya11 300 000 $
Malgin, Denis1800 000 $
Gauthier, Frédérik2750 000 $
Stecher, Troy32 833 333 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Thornton, Joe1850 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Weegar, MacKenzie [Droits de RFA]
  2. Wallmark, Lucas [Droits de RFA]
  3. 2021 3e round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Dermott, Travis [Droits de RFA]
  3. 2021 2e round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. 2021 2e round pick (NSH)
  2. 2021 5e round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
TOR
  1. Sutter, Brandon
  2. Stecher, Troy [Droits de RFA]
  3. Goldobin, Nikolay [Droits de RFA]
VAN
  1. Åberg, Pontus [Droits de RFA]
  2. 2021 2e round pick (NSH)
TOR
    CBO
    ANA
    1. Sutter, Brandon
    Rachats de contrats
    • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
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    TOR
    VGK
    VGK
    TOR
    CAR
    COL
    SJS
    STL
    WPG
    2021
    TOR
    FLA
    TOR
    TOR
    NSH
    TOR
    TOR
    2022
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $81 283 116 $0 $0 $216 884 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    TOR
    Hyman, Zach
    2 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    11 640 250 $
    C
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    6 962 366 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Mikheyev, Ilya
    1 300 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Tavares, John
    11 000 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    TOR
    Marner, Mitchell
    10 903 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 5
    TOR
    Barabanov, Alexander
    925 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    Wallmark, Lucas
    1 500 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Kapanen, Kasperi
    3 200 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Engvall, Pierre
    1 250 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA - 2
    Thornton, Joe
    850 000 $
    C, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Malgin, Denis
    800 000 $
    AD, C
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    TOR
    Rielly, Morgan
    5 000 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Weegar, MacKenzie
    3 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Andersen, Frederik
    5 000 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    5 625 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Stecher, Troy
    2 833 333 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    1 650 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    894 167 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Holl, Justin
    2 000 000 $
    DD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    TOR
    Rosén, Calle
    750 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Gauthier, Frédérik
    750 000 $
    C
    RFA - 1

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    8 avr 2020 à 1 h 56
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    Florida passes on that but creative nonetheless.

    Johnsson's value is down big time given his injury and not that he exactly was moving the needle for a big return anyway.
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    8 avr 2020 à 2 h 01
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    Florida passes on that but creative nonetheless.

    Johnsson's value is down big time given his injury and not that he exactly was moving the needle for a big return anyway.


    I've done this Florida trade probably on 10 AGMs now, and this is the first one that says either side passes. Mind explaining why?
    The only difference is I usually ask back a 4th from FLA rather than a 3rd.

    Considering the NSH pick will probably rebound into being a later one, it's not that massive a package. NSH is desperate for change to their middle six. It's either him or Killorn IMO, and Killorn comes with a higher price tag that NSH may not want to part with.
    8 avr 2020 à 2 h 34
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    Dermott is not going anywhere as he is a first pairing potential regardless what the so called hockey experts think.
    8 avr 2020 à 2 h 37
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    I've done this Florida trade probably on 10 AGMs now, and this is the first one that says either side passes. Mind explaining why?
    The only difference is I usually ask back a 4th from FLA rather than a 3rd.

    Considering the NSH pick will probably rebound into being a later one, it's not that massive a package. NSH is desperate for change to their middle six. It's either him or Killorn IMO, and Killorn comes with a higher price tag that NSH may not want to part with.


    I created that exact trade and a Florida fan told me Toronto was overpaying lul but it was a still a good trade for both sides. Florida would be stupid to pass on that deal as they get 2 good players and a higher pick. And Toronto gets 2 cheaper players and pick depth
    8 avr 2020 à 2 h 37
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    Good trades overall pretty realistic especially the Florida trade lul. When did my version I brought Mayfield but stretcher is also a good option
    8 avr 2020 à 2 h 42
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    Quoting: TML_Tika
    Dermott is not going anywhere as he is a first pairing potential regardless what the so called hockey experts think.


    as Aerosmith frontman Stephen Tyler once said, "Dream On"
    8 avr 2020 à 2 h 43
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    I created that exact trade and a Florida fan told me Toronto was overpaying lul but it was a still a good trade for both sides. Florida would be stupid to pass on that deal as they get 2 good players and a higher pick.


    Would assume they didn't see the extent of how good Weegar is then. To be fair he missed a chunk out of injury, but to be seen as florida's best/tied best defenseman this year out of nowhere (with good stats all round) is a great accomplishment. TOR should be sending the higher pick.
    8 avr 2020 à 3 h 02
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Would assume they didn't see the extent of how good Weegar is then. To be fair he missed a chunk out of injury, but to be seen as florida's best/tied best defenseman this year out of nowhere (with good stats all round) is a great accomplishment. TOR should be sending the higher pick.


    Yep that's why I gave them a 2nd as weegar on his dominate side won't come cheap. So to make it fair Toronto gives a 2nd and Florida gives one of their thirds. One team gets a better center and a cheaper defense the other gets a cheaper center and a right defense man
    8 avr 2020 à 4 h 19
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    I've done this Florida trade probably on 10 AGMs now, and this is the first one that says either side passes. Mind explaining why?
    The only difference is I usually ask back a 4th from FLA rather than a 3rd.

    Considering the NSH pick will probably rebound into being a later one, it's not that massive a package. NSH is desperate for change to their middle six. It's either him or Killorn IMO, and Killorn comes with a higher price tag that NSH may not want to part with.


    I haven't really commented on the trade yet but have seen you and others post it, I think it doesnt really solve any of Florida's current needs while taking away one of their better playing RD. Like the value is fine, however it doesn't really help them with save on contract costs.
    8 avr 2020 à 9 h 10
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    Quoting: TML_Tika
    Dermott is not going anywhere as he is a first pairing potential regardless what the so called hockey experts think.

    You’re over hyping Dermott. At this point, he is a fringe top 4 guy. He has not turned into what he was supposed to, and thus expendable. You already have Muzzin, Rielly and Sandin down the left side and need a RHD, thus Dermott is the odd one out
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    8 avr 2020 à 9 h 32
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    Quoting: TML_Tika
    Dermott is not going anywhere as he is a first pairing potential regardless what the so called hockey experts think.


    Dermott has first pairing potential?? Dermott has not shown that he is more than a 5/6 guy for the past two seasons. You don't have to be an "expert" to see that.

    Throwing Dermott into a top pairing roll and asking him to do it wrong handed is a god damn recipe for disaster.
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    8 avr 2020 à 11 h 26
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    as Aerosmith frontman Stephen Tyler once said, "Dream On"


    Quoting: MMXD
    You’re over hyping Dermott. At this point, he is a fringe top 4 guy. He has not turned into what he was supposed to, and thus expendable. You already have Muzzin, Rielly and Sandin down the left side and need a RHD, thus Dermott is the odd one out


    Quoting: Trevorchef
    Dermott has first pairing potential?? Dermott has not shown that he is more than a 5/6 guy for the past two seasons. You don't have to be an "expert" to see that.

    Throwing Dermott into a top pairing roll and asking him to do it wrong handed is a god damn recipe for disaster.


    All you guys need to realize that Dermott has not had his real chance to being really counted on and relied upon by the Leafs as an important member of the defense core. He proved his worth in his last game played this year against Tampa and when needed and relied upon and stepped up to the challege and was fantastic in the Leafs win.

    You guys are all writing him off but do not realize he too is virtually a rookie but has a huge upside.
    8 avr 2020 à 11 h 53
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    Quoting: TML_Tika
    All you guys need to realize that Dermott has not had his real chance to being really counted on and relied upon by the Leafs as an important member of the defense core. He proved his worth in his last game played this year against Tampa and when needed and relied upon and stepped up to the challege and was fantastic in the Leafs win.

    You guys are all writing him off but do not realize he too is virtually a rookie but has a huge upside.


    In a system where here are 3 lhd ahead of him in the depth chart
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    8 avr 2020 à 15 h 07
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    Quoting: MMXD
    In a system where here are 3 lhd ahead of him in the depth chart


    You must be a fan of Mike Babcock to make a statement like that. Do you have no confidence that Dermott could not play on the right side and this would actually solve the problem.

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    8 avr 2020 à 15 h 47
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    Quoting: TML_Tika
    You must be a fan of Mike Babcock to make a statement like that. Do you have no confidence that Dermott could not play on the right side and this would actually solve the problem.

    @Wqrrior


    He can play right side, yes, but he isn't strongest there. Just because he has or can play top pair doesn't mean he is carrying it. Often it would be Rielly carrying him and filling in his mistakes if playing that role.

    Still, no matter what, Weegar's upside is massively higher than Dermott. I can accept an argument that Dermott can still be a top 4 guy, but Weegar already is. Besides, a defense core with Dermott has already proven to not work. You can't keep trying the same thing and expecting different results.
    8 avr 2020 à 18 h 03
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    Quoting: TML_Tika
    All you guys need to realize that Dermott has not had his real chance to being really counted on and relied upon by the Leafs as an important member of the defense core. He proved his worth in his last game played this year against Tampa and when needed and relied upon and stepped up to the challege and was fantastic in the Leafs win.

    You guys are all writing him off but do not realize he too is virtually a rookie but has a huge upside.


    "His last game".... Laughable.

    Take your head out of the sand my man. Dermott is a fringe top four D at best at present.

    Putting your faith in Unknowns just because they wear blue and white is very thin ice. Smarten up.
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    9 avr 2020 à 1 h 17
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    Quoting: Trevorchef
    "His last game".... Laughable.

    Take your head out of the sand my man. Dermott is a fringe top four D at best at present.

    Putting your faith in Unknowns just because they wear blue and white is very thin ice. Smarten up.


    Have no idea what you are going think when Leafs resign Dermott this offseason as you have no concept of his upside potential. Really disappointing to hear you cutting down a young player who is really still a rookie defenseman in the NHL and learning the ropes who looks like he is going to develope into an outstanding defenseman. You probably said the same thing about Guy Lafleur after his first 2 years in the NHL. You need to understand the game much better.
    9 avr 2020 à 11 h 26
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    Quoting: TML_Tika
    Have no idea what you are going think when Leafs resign Dermott this offseason as you have no concept of his upside potential. Really disappointing to hear you cutting down a young player who is really still a rookie defenseman in the NHL and learning the ropes who looks like he is going to develope into an outstanding defenseman. You probably said the same thing about Guy Lafleur after his first 2 years in the NHL. You need to understand the game much better.


    Nope. Lafleur was an undeniable talent that was destined for greatness. Dermott is a lower pairing defensman who seems to be regressing instead of improving. There's a big difference.
    9 avr 2020 à 12 h 22
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    Quoting: Trevorchef
    Nope. Lafleur was an undeniable talent that was destined for greatness. Dermott is a lower pairing defensman who seems to be regressing instead of improving. There's a big difference.



    No you are incorrect. Lafleur was a flop in his first 3 years in the NHL until he got his game together. Dermott played on the great Erie Otter teams and was an outstanding prospect and just needs more time and fans like you need to stay patient and realize it takes some time to mature as a defenseman in the NHL.

    You are probably the same guy that thought the Canucks should trade Virtanen because he struggled a bit to establish himself in the NHL. You need to realize that virtually no one just walks into the NHL and becomes a top 4 defenseman in his first year in the NHL.
    9 avr 2020 à 15 h 00
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    Quoting: TML_Tika
    No you are incorrect. Lafleur was a flop in his first 3 years in the NHL until he got his game together. Dermott played on the great Erie Otter teams and was an outstanding prospect and just needs more time and fans like you need to stay patient and realize it takes some time to mature as a defenseman in the NHL.

    You are probably the same guy that thought the Canucks should trade Virtanen because he struggled a bit to establish himself in the NHL. You need to realize that virtually no one just walks into the NHL and becomes a top 4 defenseman in his first year in the NHL.


    Laughable!

    Lafleur was drafted 1st overall after a 200+ point season with the Ramparts. He scored 130 goals in 62 games that year. There was NO DOUBT about him having an illustrious NHL career. NONE!

    PS... Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes just called and asked you to hold their beers.

    Stop worrying about what you think other people know or do not know about the game. It is pretty clear with your analysis here that you are a few sandwiches short of a decent picnic anyways.

    Dermott has already been passed by Sandin on any scale of "potential" and Muzzin and Rielly are above him on the depth chart as it is. The guy is trade bait IMO. Pack him up with Johnsson and turn it into something the team actually needs.

    Mic drop. We are done here.
    9 avr 2020 à 15 h 26
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    Quoting: Trevorchef
    Laughable!

    Lafleur was drafted 1st overall after a 200+ point season with the Ramparts. He scored 130 goals in 62 games that year. There was NO DOUBT about him having an illustrious NHL career. NONE!

    PS... Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes just called and asked you to hold their beers.

    Stop worrying about what you think other people know or do not know about the game. It is pretty clear with your analysis here that you are a few sandwiches short of a decent picnic anyways.

    Dermott has already been passed by Sandin on any scale of "potential" and Muzzin and Rielly are above him on the depth chart as it is. The guy is trade bait IMO. Pack him up with Johnsson and turn it into something the team actually needs.

    Mic drop. We are done here.[/quote

    You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on Dermott which you have clearly given up on.
    9 avr 2020 à 15 h 26
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    Quoting: Trevorchef
    Laughable!

    Lafleur was drafted 1st overall after a 200+ point season with the Ramparts. He scored 130 goals in 62 games that year. There was NO DOUBT about him having an illustrious NHL career. NONE!

    PS... Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes just called and asked you to hold their beers.

    Stop worrying about what you think other people know or do not know about the game. It is pretty clear with your analysis here that you are a few sandwiches short of a decent picnic anyways.

    Dermott has already been passed by Sandin on any scale of "potential" and Muzzin and Rielly are above him on the depth chart as it is. The guy is trade bait IMO. Pack him up with Johnsson and turn it into something the team actually needs.

    Mic drop. We are done here.[/quote

    You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on Dermott which you have clearly given up on.
    9 avr 2020 à 15 h 27
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    Quoting: Trevorchef
    Laughable!

    Lafleur was drafted 1st overall after a 200+ point season with the Ramparts. He scored 130 goals in 62 games that year. There was NO DOUBT about him having an illustrious NHL career. NONE!

    PS... Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes just called and asked you to hold their beers.

    Stop worrying about what you think other people know or do not know about the game. It is pretty clear with your analysis here that you are a few sandwiches short of a decent picnic anyways.

    Dermott has already been passed by Sandin on any scale of "potential" and Muzzin and Rielly are above him on the depth chart as it is. The guy is trade bait IMO. Pack him up with Johnsson and turn it into something the team actually needs.

    Mic drop. We are done here.


    You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on Dermott which you have clearly decided to give up on.
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    9 avr 2020 à 15 h 39
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    Quoting: TML_Tika
    You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on Dermott which you have clearly decided to give up on.


    can only cling to the titanic for so long
    9 avr 2020 à 15 h 46
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    Quoting: Wqrrior
    can only cling to the titanic for so long


    So you are now calling a second year pro like Dermott the Titanic with out showing any patience. Good thing you are not an actual GM of a team.
     
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