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Trading Strome is dumb

Créé par: Stan_Bowman
Date de création initiale: avr 7, 2020
Publié: Apr 7 at 12:35 am
Équipe: 2020-21 Blackhawks de Chicago
Explications
My guess is that this is just a negotiation tactic to get Strome to come down on his price.


Either way, Strome is a 2nd line center who is just entering his prime. If other teams want to acquire him there needs to be some legit value coming back. We don’t want any more projects, or depth players, or draft pick fodder.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANNÉESCAP HIT
Mitchell, Ian3925 000 $
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Kubalik, Dominik23 500 000 $
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CHI
  1. Cozens, Dylan
  2. Hutton, Carter
BUF
  1. Subban, Malcolm [Droits de RFA]
  2. Strome, Dylan [Droits de RFA]
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      7 avr à 0 h 37
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      You arent getting a guy with Elite potential for a meh 2c
      7 avr à 0 h 39
      #2
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      That's a no from buffalo
      7 avr à 0 h 40
      #3
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      No way you're getting Cozens.

      Also If they think Dach will pass Strome, I totally understand not wanting to pay Strome to be a 2C if he's going to end up as a 3C.
      7 avr à 0 h 41
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      Quoting: papishark
      You arent getting a guy with Elite potential for a meh 2c

      I don’t think Carter Hutton has “Elite Potential”, but that’s just me.
      7 avr à 0 h 43
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      Quoting: Claesson4Norris
      No way you're getting Cozens.

      Also If they think Dach will pass Strome, I totally understand not wanting to pay Strome to be a 2C if he's going to end up as a 3C.


      Toews is getting older, and a decline is going to happen eventually.

      Dach and Strome SHOULD be the number 1 and 2 (save for draft lottery luck again) and Toews will be the third line center. (In a couple years)

      Seriously the guy is going to be 32, you have to hedge your bets.
      7 avr à 0 h 46
      #6
      Isles7
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      Strome is a solid 2C and shouldn’t be traded IMO, but cozens is untouchable.
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      7 avr à 0 h 46
      #7
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      lol, how do you think trading Strome is dumb if you think you could get Cozens for him
      7 avr à 0 h 49
      #8
      Not a burger anymore
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      BUF trade is just ridiculous.
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      7 avr à 0 h 50
      #9
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      Quoting: JumboJoe
      lol, how do you think trading Strome is dumb if you think you could get Cozens for him


      The trade is more to demonstrate that actual value needs to be coming back…
      7 avr à 0 h 52
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      Quoting: justaBoss
      BUF trade is just ridiculous.


      That’s who I’d want in a Strome trade, this rumor has been out for a bit over a day now, and I’m tired of seeing everyone trade their junk, and pick fodder for him.
      7 avr à 0 h 52
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      7 avr à 0 h 57
      #12
      Not a burger anymore
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      That’s who I’d want in a Strome trade, this rumor has been out for a bit over a day now, and I’m tired of seeing everyone trade their junk, and pick fodder for him.


      You're entitled to want something, it's very different case whether you're actually getting it. This is just a ridiculous example of what you're NOT getting.

      It's been reported that CHI is not looking to get extremely high value either...
      7 avr à 1 h 05
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      If Chi FO doesn't want Strome, I'd figure the move is to flip for a RHD. They prob want to sign Kubalik long term.

      I could see deals for Montour, Weegar or even a Matt Roy package at the NHL level

      Or something like a prospect deal for Wilde, Addison or potentially Merkley.
      7 avr à 1 h 08
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      Quoting: justaBoss
      You're entitled to want something, it's very different case whether you're actually getting it. This is just a ridiculous example of what you're NOT getting.

      It's been reported that CHI is not looking to get extremely high value either...


      The tweet said that the cost is not prohibitive. People seem to take that as basically free.
      7 avr à 1 h 10
      #15
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      The tweet said that the cost is not prohibitive. People seem to take that as basically free.


      Out of curiosity what has been the worst Strome trade you've seen?
      7 avr à 1 h 10
      #16
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      The trade is more to demonstrate that actual value needs to be coming back…


      You're delusional to think that's a fair trade.

      I agree that Strome should get a higher return than what he was traded FOR, but there is absolutely no way that Cozens or any other 1C potential guy is the main return. And Hutton has zero, not negative value. Cozens carries significantly more value than Strome.
      7 avr à 1 h 21
      #17
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      Quoting: Wqrrior
      You're delusional to think that's a fair trade.

      I agree that Strome should get a higher return than what he was traded FOR, but there is absolutely no way that Cozens or any other 1C potential guy is the main return. And Hutton has zero, not negative value. Cozens carries significantly more value than Strome.


      Like I said, and you misunderstood, the trade is meant to demonstrate that value must be coming back in any Strome trade.
      7 avr à 1 h 22
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      Quoting: justaBoss
      Out of curiosity what has been the worst Strome trade you've seen?

      They all blend together more or less, I don’t want to make anyone feel bad by calling out their trade in specific. I’m sure you could find some examples of my grievances.
      7 avr à 1 h 25
      #19
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      Like I said, and you misunderstood, the trade is meant to demonstrate that value must be coming back in any Strome trade.


      No team will pay this though. Strome will stay here at that price. You might be trying to demonstrate this, and it very well could be a tactic to lower his cap value - but I really don't think that CHI is asking this in their trade talks. If they were, their GM reputation is dropping big time. Phones hanging up left and right.
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      7 avr à 1 h 29
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      Quoting: Stan_Bowman
      Toews is getting older, and a decline is going to happen eventually.

      Dach and Strome SHOULD be the number 1 and 2 (save for draft lottery luck again) and Toews will be the third line center. (In a couple years)

      Seriously the guy is going to be 32, you have to hedge your bets.


      Toews is still putting up numbers and I cannot see the Hawks moving him or getting rid of him. He is there and can still produce. The organization clearly trusts Dach and with the cap space being so tight, they dont want to pay Strome 2C money when he will be 3C. Also, as it stands, Hawks are #9 on the draft board and there are a lot of C in the top 10, so they could draft a C who can replace Toews down the line. They could move Strome for a really solid winger, dman or goalie, which could benefit them much more.
      7 avr à 7 h 25
      #21
      bhavikp27
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      Toews = 1C
      Dach = 2C

      Think we can understand why they could move him (yeah he could be a top9 C but he will get a middle-six pay then)
      7 avr à 7 h 44
      #22
      exo2769
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      Quoting: papishark
      You arent getting a guy with Elite potential for a meh 2c


      Quoting: justaBoss
      BUF trade is just ridiculous.


      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      That's a no from buffalo


      Buffalo should know more than any team that #8 OA picks can turn into Casey Mittelstadt, Alex Nylander, and yes it's possible Cozens who hasn't played 1 game in the NHL. I don't think that will be the case, but no one drafts with perfect hindsight and that goes double for BUF. What's ironic about the whole thing...Go look at each of their history. They're SCARY close to each other. Do you want a #2C today...or in 4 years? And if you think Cozens will be a #2C before then...why all the BUF trades for Strome? Doesn't make sense.

      https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=197770
      https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=170174
      7 avr à 9 h 23
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      There’s no way Cozens is what’s going back. On one side, you’re trading your young Elite potential center prospect and on the other a career 2C. Cozens has a higher ceiling there, you’re overrating Strome too much.
       
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