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Équipe: 2020-21 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 4 avr. 2020
Publié: 4 avr. 2020
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CAR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (STL)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (VGK)
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  1. Fleury, Haydn [Droits de RFA]
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CAR
  1. Brind'Amour, Skyler [Liste de réserve]
  2. Larsson, Adam
  3. Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
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3rd only comes to Carolina if Larsson doesn't re-sign
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CAR
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (TBL)
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4 avr. 2020 à 11 h 29
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feel like you could get more for Mrasek and a good bit more for Skjei.
4 avr. 2020 à 11 h 33
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feel like you could get more for Mrasek and a good bit more for Skjei.


But not from Edmonton. The Oilers don't have any need for LHD... send him to MTL.
4 avr. 2020 à 14 h 20
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But not from Edmonton. The Oilers don't have any need for LHD... send him to MTL.


Assuming they re-sign Green, EDM need LHD. Nurse and Klef are great, but the young kids are still unproven and it gives Edmonton a chance to make a run sooner while the league still doesn't have an answer for McDavid and Draisaitl. Even Malkin and Crosby have answers around the NHL.
4 avr. 2020 à 14 h 23
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Assuming they re-sign Green, EDM need LHD. Nurse and Klef are great, but the young kids are still unproven and it gives Edmonton a chance to make a run sooner while the league still doesn't have an answer for McDavid and Draisaitl. Even Malkin and Crosby have answers around the NHL.


Nurse and Klefbom hold down the top-4 left side, Bear and Larsson the right side. This trade brings imbalance to the lineup... between Jones, Lagesson and Russell, 3LD is well covered.

No interest in Skjei.
4 avr. 2020 à 14 h 29
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Assuming they re-sign Green, EDM need LHD. Nurse and Klef are great, but the young kids are still unproven and it gives Edmonton a chance to make a run sooner while the league still doesn't have an answer for McDavid and Draisaitl. Even Malkin and Crosby have answers around the NHL.


I'm not sure you noticed, but the Oilers were the 5th best team in the league since December 30th. They need to solidify their forward corps, their defense is fine as is. The change December 31st? Yamamoto was brought up and it allowed Tippett to split McDavid and Draisaitl. More work is needed still.
4 avr. 2020 à 15 h 36
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Assuming they re-sign Green, EDM need LHD. Nurse and Klef are great, but the young kids are still unproven and it gives Edmonton a chance to make a run sooner while the league still doesn't have an answer for McDavid and Draisaitl. Even Malkin and Crosby have answers around the NHL.


They already have klef, nurse and jones to cover the left side so there is no point in trading for him
5 avr. 2020 à 8 h 34
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Nurse and Klefbom hold down the top-4 left side, Bear and Larsson the right side. This trade brings imbalance to the lineup... between Jones, Lagesson and Russell, 3LD is well covered.

No interest in Skjei.


There are still a lot of question marks in that top 6, Bear for example. And moving out a pending UFA who is likely walking anyway allows them to spend to win now. Plus they were apparently looking at Skjei at the deadline
5 avr. 2020 à 8 h 41
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I'm not sure you noticed, but the Oilers were the 5th best team in the league since December 30th. They need to solidify their forward corps, their defense is fine as is. The change December 31st? Yamamoto was brought up and it allowed Tippett to split McDavid and Draisaitl. More work is needed still.


I'm not sure if you noticed, but the reason they were the 5th best team was their forward core. Draisaitl and McDavid were pretty much outscoring teams all game long. It's why EDM rank top 5 in goals for. Plus, semi-decent goaltending from Smith and Koskinen. Their defence has still been bad from an analytical standpoint. It gets penned in. I don't know if you've noticed this, but offence wins games. It does, defence wins championships. Look at ROR Pietrangelo, Parayko and the blues. Letang, Sid and the Pens. Carlson, Backstrom, Kempny, Orlov and the Capitals. Keith Seabrook, Toews and the Blackhawks, Doughty, Martinez, Muzzin Kopitar and the kings. Bergeron, Chara and the Bruins. Edmonton don't have that. It's common knowledge that defensively McDavid is horrific and that offensively he is spectacular. RNH leaves defensive question marks, Draisaitl spends more time on the wing than down the middle. Edmonton don't have that top core defence and they don't have that defensive forward to help push things along either. Even if you just look at last years final 4. Carolina, known for a great D core, Jordan Staal is a great 2 way player, that's common knowledge. San Jose, Karlsson Vlasic and Burns hadn't suddenly aged 30 years in a day and Couture is a solid 2 way center. St Louis I've mentioned, and Boston with McAvoy, Chara, Krug, and so on. Edmonton's D isn't that calibre and it needs improvement if they want to win the cup. This is a deal that works for them because it is an upgrade. As for Carolina, it allows them to balance out their loaded D core with someone who likely hits the FA market at the end of the year anyway. It works both ways, I've put a lot of thought and number crunching into this trade.
5 avr. 2020 à 8 h 47
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They already have klef, nurse and jones to cover the left side so there is no point in trading for him


Caleb Jones? You really are reaching. That's like me saying "Carolina better not acquire a top 6 center, Morgan Geekie is gonna be right there for that spot" It's ludicrous and there is no statistical proof to back it up other than what has been displaced in a very limited sample size. Jones is still a question mark, Skjei isn't.
5 avr. 2020 à 10 h 28
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There are still a lot of question marks in that top 6, Bear for example. And moving out a pending UFA who is likely walking anyway allows them to spend to win now. Plus they were apparently looking at Skjei at the deadline


Bear played the toughest minutes of any Oilers defenseman all season long and won those minutes. He played 1st pairing as a rookie, even if there's a sophomore slump he'll still be capable of playing top-4. There are zero questions about Bear in Oilers management.

I would say that it's also unlikely that Larsson moves on when he becomes a UFA. I think there's a pretty decent chance that he gets re-signed, especially since he's unlikely to command a big raise.
5 avr. 2020 à 10 h 33
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Caleb Jones? You really are reaching. That's like me saying "Carolina better not acquire a top 6 center, Morgan Geekie is gonna be right there for that spot" It's ludicrous and there is no statistical proof to back it up other than what has been displaced in a very limited sample size. Jones is still a question mark, Skjei isn't.


Jones' cap hit is $850k for the next 2 years and he proved to be capable of holding down his job this year. You know he was playing 2LD when Klefbom was injured, right? He and Larsson outscored opponents 8-5 despite 38% offensive zone faceoffs.

It isn't worth the massive cap hit to upgrade 3LD to Skjei. Even if CAR was willing to give Edmonton Skjei for free.
5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 2
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Jones' cap hit is $850k for the next 2 years and he proved to be capable of holding down his job this year. You know he was playing 2LD when Klefbom was injured, right? He and Larsson outscored opponents 8-5 despite 38% offensive zone faceoffs.

It isn't worth the massive cap hit to upgrade 3LD to Skjei. Even if CAR was willing to give Edmonton Skjei for free.


You understand scoring for a D man is a useless stat right? They are paid to defend, which Jones cannot do to a good enough standard, yet Skjei can. If Klef gets injured again (and lets face it, his injury record is bad) and you put him back into the top 4, he's quickly gonna get exposed. He's cost controlled, fine. Skjei is locked up for longer term, and won't want that kind of raise. It's a better move all around for EDM.
5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 6
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Bear played the toughest minutes of any Oilers defenseman all season long and won those minutes. He played 1st pairing as a rookie, even if there's a sophomore slump he'll still be capable of playing top-4. There are zero questions about Bear in Oilers management.

I would say that it's also unlikely that Larsson moves on when he becomes a UFA. I think there's a pretty decent chance that he gets re-signed, especially since he's unlikely to command a big raise.


Larsson will demand a big raise because Edmonton cannot afford to let him walk. If they let Larsson go, it'll look bad for the Hall trade. Knowing that, he's likelt to ask for something like 6 mil. He's not worth it, but it's his ask most likely.

As for Bear, he was being babysat. Haydn Fleury played top line minutes in Carolina..... with Jaccob Slavin. It's not always because they deserve it, and the stats agree with that for Bear. Could he become a top pairing D man, absolutely. Is he that now? No.
5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 18
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Caleb Jones? You really are reaching. That's like me saying "Carolina better not acquire a top 6 center, Morgan Geekie is gonna be right there for that spot" It's ludicrous and there is no statistical proof to back it up other than what has been displaced in a very limited sample size. Jones is still a question mark, Skjei isn't.


Caleb jones is signed on to play 2 more seasons with a cap hit of 850000, When klefbom was hurt, he had to play 2LHD with larsson. So your telling right now that oilers would love to trade their 2RHD(with no one to replace him) for a EXPENSIVE LHD(who they have tons of) just for him to play 2nd or 3rd pairing while at the same time hindering the progess your young prospects are making

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There are still a lot of question marks in that top 6, Bear for example. And moving out a pending UFA who is likely walking anyway allows them to spend to win now. Plus they were apparently looking at Skjei at the deadline


Explain how bear is still a question mark, I'm curious
5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 23
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Larsson will demand a big raise because Edmonton cannot afford to let him walk. If they let Larsson go, it'll look bad for the Hall trade. Knowing that, he's likelt to ask for something like 6 mil. He's not worth it, but it's his ask most likely.

As for Bear, he was being babysat. Haydn Fleury played top line minutes in Carolina..... with Jaccob Slavin. It's not always because they deserve it, and the stats agree with that for Bear. Could he become a top pairing D man, absolutely. Is he that now? No.


also explain how an average ice time of 21:58 is getting babysat
He also averaged 1:52 of PK time so yeah he's totally getting babysat

Your man fluery played an average of 13:40 and last time I checked 21 was bigger than fluery
He also averaged 47 seconds on the pk per game so yeah top pairing
5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 32
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also explain how an average ice time of 21:58 is getting babysat
He also averaged 1:52 of PK time so yeah he's totally getting babysat

Your man fluery played an average of 13:40 and last time I checked 21 was bigger than fluery
He also averaged 47 seconds on the pk per game so yeah top pairing


Carolina carried 7 D men most of the season, that butchered his numbers, check out Hockeyviz, that will prove you wrong! Try not to be so arrogent in future!
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Caleb jones is signed on to play 2 more seasons with a cap hit of 850000, When klefbom was hurt, he had to play 2LHD with larsson. So your telling right now that oilers would love to trade their 2RHD(with no one to replace him) for a EXPENSIVE LHD(who they have tons of) just for him to play 2nd or 3rd pairing while at the same time hindering the progess your young prospects are making



Explain how bear is still a question mark, I'm curious


Read literally 2 comments above brainwave
5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 41
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Carolina carried 7 D men most of the season, that butchered his numbers, check out Hockeyviz, that will prove you wrong! Try not to be so arrogent in future!


I looked at his game logs and I noticed that at the beginning of the season he barely played but no with Carolina key defenders down, he's playing more minutes.
His last five games he averaged almost 20 min

bear averaged almost 25 minutes per game in the last 5 games
so if your telling me fluery has been playing more hard minutes than bear, it's factually untrue
5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 59
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You understand scoring for a D man is a useless stat right? They are paid to defend, which Jones cannot do to a good enough standard, yet Skjei can. If Klef gets injured again (and lets face it, his injury record is bad) and you put him back into the top 4, he's quickly gonna get exposed. He's cost controlled, fine. Skjei is locked up for longer term, and won't want that kind of raise. It's a better move all around for EDM.


First, it's perfectly reasonable to use goal differential to assess any player's success rate at a given position.

Second, Jones has already played in the top-4 and was successful in those minutes. He wasn't "exposed" at all.
5 avr. 2020 à 15 h 7
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Larsson will demand a big raise because Edmonton cannot afford to let him walk. If they let Larsson go, it'll look bad for the Hall trade. Knowing that, he's likelt to ask for something like 6 mil. He's not worth it, but it's his ask most likely.

That's just silly. Holland doesn't give a **** about how any of his moves make Peter Chiarelli look. Holland will make moves based on the best interest of the team today, not what something was worth to someone else 5 years ago.

Dumbest argument ever.

I don't think Larsson will get a raise at all, I think a short-term contract at about $4M will get it done.

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As for Bear, he was being babysat. Haydn Fleury played top line minutes in Carolina..... with Jaccob Slavin. It's not always because they deserve it, and the stats agree with that for Bear. Could he become a top pairing D man, absolutely. Is he that now? No.


Bear wasn't being "babysat", there were many games that he carried the pairing. Bear played the hardest minutes of any Oilers defenseman this year and ended with better analytics even than his partner Nurse. Aside from scoring numbers, but we already know you don't care about that.

Clearly you haven't watched the Oilers very closely this year.
 
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