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Debrusk and Sergachev

Créé par: BeterChiarelli
Équipe: 2020-21 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 2 avr. 2020
Publié: 3 avr. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
It's all insanity and it's in no way realistic. Or is it
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
13 000 000 $
22 450 000 $
1800 000 $
33 750 000 $
2825 000 $
2825 000 $
56 341 151 $
33 666 666 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
12 250 000 $
1875 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Sergachev, Mikhail6 341 151 $
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Tierney, Chris [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CBJ)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (OTT)
OTT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. Niederreiter, Nino
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (CAR)
CAR
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Liste de réserve]
3.
EDM
  1. Campbell, Alexander [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NSH)
NSH
  1. Benning, Matthew [Droits de RFA]
4.
EDM
  1. DeBrusk, Jake [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (BOS)
5.
EDM
  1. Lashoff, Brian
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (DET)
6.
EDM
  1. Popugayev, Nikita [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Russell, Kris
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
7.
EDM
    CBO
    Rachats de contrats
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2020
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    2021
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    Logo de BOS
    Logo de EDM
    Logo de DET
    Logo de EDM
    Logo de PIT
    Logo de EDM
    2022
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2181 500 000 $81 223 849 $341 534 $730 000 $276 151 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 5
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance230 000 $$230K)
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Hurricanes de la Caroline
    5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    3 666 666 $3 666 666 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    875 000 $875 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    875 000 $875 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    2 450 000 $2 450 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    6 341 151 $6 341 151 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    4 166 666 $4 166 666 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    850 000 $850 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
    DD
    RFA - 3
    2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
    700 000 $700 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1

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    3 avr. 2020 à 14 h 20
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    thats a sexy looking lineup
    3 avr. 2020 à 14 h 23
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    Remove the pick and maybe BOS accepts
    3 avr. 2020 à 14 h 34
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    i wouldnt trade for nino, his cap hit is just too big
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    3 avr. 2020 à 14 h 40
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    AA will NOT resign for same$.
    At least 3.5-4.0..-~
    3 avr. 2020 à 14 h 48
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    Quoting: BootBoi
    AA will NOT resign for same$.
    At least 3.5-4.0..-~


    Than he can sit out so his defensive stats don't get worse.
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    3 avr. 2020 à 14 h 52
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    This all seems fairly realistic to me except the Bruins trade, really can't see them trading Debrusk for a dman.
    3 avr. 2020 à 15 h 19
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    The difference between a 33-point, first pairing defenseman and a 35-point, third line winger is a 3rd?? What planet are you from?
    3 avr. 2020 à 15 h 28
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    Your basically staying Tierney is worth the difference of drafting between 20-25 in the 1st round and drafting 33 and 40-45 in the 2nd round. AKA you make his value out to be around a 6th. Tierney would cost you probably your 1st since it would be pretty far into the round
    3 avr. 2020 à 15 h 39
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    Quoting: Skyraider112
    Your basically staying Tierney is worth the difference of drafting between 20-25 in the 1st round and drafting 33 and 40-45 in the 2nd round. AKA you make his value out to be around a 6th. Tierney would cost you probably your 1st since it would be pretty far into the round


    Nobody has EVER moved up from 40 to 20 for just a 6th. Look it up.

    The Oilers 1st will be #20. Tierney isn't worth that.
    3 avr. 2020 à 16 h 35
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    Than he can sit out so his defensive stats don't get worse.


    You know he and Holland weren't exactly buddies in Detroit. I can see signing AA as a problem. I'm shocked he traded for him.
    3 avr. 2020 à 17 h 1
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    Quoting: Jfstompers
    You know he and Holland weren't exactly buddies in Detroit. I can see signing AA as a problem. I'm shocked he traded for him.


    That is what I heard as well, but I am not in the dressing room.
    5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 50
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    Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
    Remove the pick and maybe BOS accepts


    Your value assessment is straight trash these days. Take a break.

    Quoting: kafle22
    i wouldnt trade for nino, his cap hit is just too big


    It's more than manageable over the two seasons he'd be an Oiler. The cap would clearly go up next season and Larsson's cap hit alone coming off the books is enough to cover a raise for RNH and Yamamoto.

    Quoting: BootBoi
    AA will NOT resign for same$.
    At least 3.5-4.0..-~


    There's no incentive for Athanasiou to ask for a raise. He's close to maxing out what a third-line winger should realistically make in this league, and Edmonton's had all of seven games to determine what he is. It's a one-year prove-it deal. Players take these quite often in situations like these.

    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    This all seems fairly realistic to me except the Bruins trade, really can't see them trading Debrusk for a dman.


    I'm assuming Krug leaves or Boston really wants to load up on their back end. I keep seeing AGM's signing Edmundson for around $4M to be a top-4 option, and Nurse is clearly the better option.

    Quoting: CD282
    The difference between a 33-point, first pairing defenseman and a 35-point, third line winger is a 3rd?? What planet are you from?


    You know I low-balled the offer to keep New England from sh*tting it's collective pants. I personally think a 2nd Round Pick makes up the difference: there is the matter of Nurse only having 2 years before being a UFA and Edmonton now having control over Debrusk for at least 5 years. I wanted more and started low. What else do you think needs to exist coming back?

    Quoting: Skyraider112
    Your basically staying Tierney is worth the difference of drafting between 20-25 in the 1st round and drafting 33 and 40-45 in the 2nd round. AKA you make his value out to be around a 6th. Tierney would cost you probably your 1st since it would be pretty far into the round


    It's the 20th pick in a deep draft for the 33rd and 46th picks plus Tierney. A pair of second-round picks doesn't get you the 20th overall pick. If Ottawa wants the luxury of having all of the first round picks this season, let them pay for it. I don't think Tierney is super valuable; he's a pretty run of the mill #3C. I can add a B-prospect to Ottawa if it'll make you feel better.
    5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 55
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    Your value assessment is straight trash these days. Take a break.



    It's more than manageable over the two seasons he'd be an Oiler. The cap would clearly go up next season and Larsson's cap hit alone coming off the books is enough to cover a raise for RNH and Yamamoto.



    There's no incentive for Athanasiou to ask for a raise. He's close to maxing out what a third-line winger should realistically make in this league, and Edmonton's had all of seven games to determine what he is. It's a one-year prove-it deal. Players take these quite often in situations like these.



    I'm assuming Krug leaves or Boston really wants to load up on their back end. I keep seeing AGM's signing Edmundson for around $4M to be a top-4 option, and Nurse is clearly the better option.



    You know I low-balled the offer to keep New England from sh*tting it's collective pants. I personally think a 2nd Round Pick makes up the difference: there is the matter of Nurse only having 2 years before being a UFA and Edmonton now having control over Debrusk for at least 5 years. I wanted more and started low. What else do you think needs to exist coming back?



    It's the 20th pick in a deep draft for the 33rd and 46th picks plus Tierney. A pair of second-round picks doesn't get you the 20th overall pick. If Ottawa wants the luxury of having all of the first round picks this season, let them pay for it. I don't think Tierney is super valuable; he's a pretty run of the mill #3C. I can add a B-prospect to Ottawa if it'll make you feel better.


    Dude BOS is already strong at defense, they don't need another d-man. And they don't need to trade a forward, let alone a young one in DeBrusk. The value isn't bad, but it doesn't help BOS
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    5 avr. 2020 à 14 h 59
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    Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
    Dude BOS is already strong at defense, they don't need another d-man. And they don't need to trade a forward, let alone a young one in DeBrusk. The value isn't bad, but it doesn't help BOS


    That's all built on the pretense that Krug actually stays in Boston. Not guaranteed: if he wanted to, he'd likely have an extension by now.

    I've also been seeing Bruins AGMs signing Joel Edmundson to 4x4 deals or resigning Chara to play top-4 minutes. Keep telling me they don't need blueliners and I'll show you someone that doesn't recognize the Boston system.
    5 avr. 2020 à 15 h 22
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    Your value assessment is straight trash these days. Take a break.



    It's more than manageable over the two seasons he'd be an Oiler. The cap would clearly go up next season and Larsson's cap hit alone coming off the books is enough to cover a raise for RNH and Yamamoto.



    There's no incentive for Athanasiou to ask for a raise. He's close to maxing out what a third-line winger should realistically make in this league, and Edmonton's had all of seven games to determine what he is. It's a one-year prove-it deal. Players take these quite often in situations like these.



    I'm assuming Krug leaves or Boston really wants to load up on their back end. I keep seeing AGM's signing Edmundson for around $4M to be a top-4 option, and Nurse is clearly the better option.



    You know I low-balled the offer to keep New England from sh*tting it's collective pants. I personally think a 2nd Round Pick makes up the difference: there is the matter of Nurse only having 2 years before being a UFA and Edmonton now having control over Debrusk for at least 5 years. I wanted more and started low. What else do you think needs to exist coming back?



    It's the 20th pick in a deep draft for the 33rd and 46th picks plus Tierney. A pair of second-round picks doesn't get you the 20th overall pick. If Ottawa wants the luxury of having all of the first round picks this season, let them pay for it. I don't think Tierney is super valuable; he's a pretty run of the mill #3C. I can add a B-prospect to Ottawa if it'll make you feel better.


    Even if Krug leaves I just don't see them trading Debrusk for dman, they were needing to add a top 6 winger for the longest time so they're not trading one now plus Debrusk is young, just don't see him being moved out, if he was traded who replaces him on Krejci's wing, really don't see teams filling one hole by digging another very often and to me that's all this would be for Boston.
    5 avr. 2020 à 15 h 32
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Even if Krug leaves I just don't see them trading Debrusk for dman, they were needing to add a top 6 winger for the longest time so they're not trading one now plus Debrusk is young, just don't see him being moved out, if he was traded who replaces him on Krejci's wing, really don't see teams filling one hole by digging another very often and to me that's all this would be for Boston.


    Debrusk is - by the numbers - a third line winger however. Nurse is a poor-man's top pairing defender and would do wonders to insulate Vaakanainen until he was top-4 ready. Would this trade free up Boston's ability to perhaps take a shot at signing Hall or Hoffman to fill that gap?
    5 avr. 2020 à 16 h 33
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    Debrusk is - by the numbers - a third line winger however. Nurse is a poor-man's top pairing defender and would do wonders to insulate Vaakanainen until he was top-4 ready. Would this trade free up Boston's ability to perhaps take a shot at signing Hall or Hoffman to fill that gap?


    Nurse is set to make $5.6M so I don't think this move would allow for that but maybe.
    5 avr. 2020 à 16 h 39
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Nurse is set to make $5.6M so I don't think this move would allow for that but maybe.


    Again, I'm seeing Bruins AGMs add about $4M worth of defenceman to play in a top-4 role. Coupled with whatever Debrusk is getting and the remaining $3M-ish that most of those AGMs tend to have, and I think they'd be fine.
    5 avr. 2020 à 16 h 56
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    Again, I'm seeing Bruins AGMs add about $4M worth of defenceman to play in a top-4 role. Coupled with whatever Debrusk is getting and the remaining $3M-ish that most of those AGMs tend to have, and I think they'd be fine.


    Do a Bruins post with this trade and signing one of Hoffman or Hall and see how it goes over with the CapFriendly critics.. Lol
    5 avr. 2020 à 17 h 14
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli

    You know I low-balled the offer to keep New England from sh*tting it's collective pants. I personally think a 2nd Round Pick makes up the difference: there is the matter of Nurse only having 2 years before being a UFA and Edmonton now having control over Debrusk for at least 5 years. I wanted more and started low. What else do you think needs to exist coming back?


    Nothing: I wouldn't trade Nurse for a 3rd line winger at all. I think the entire proposal is incredibly Chiarelli-esque.
    5 avr. 2020 à 17 h 24
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    Quoting: CD282
    Nothing: I wouldn't trade Nurse for a 3rd line winger at all. I think the entire proposal is incredibly Chiarelli-esque.


    So then this comes down to how we view Nurse? Or is it Debrusk?

    You specifically referred to him as a top-pairing defender. I don't think he's much more than a quality second-pairing defender, but that's more due to me thinking he doesn't have the complete toolkit to be a number one guy. If the issue is Debrusk, by all means name another winger, and I'd happily make the move. I went for Debrusk due to his playstyle and affordability. I'd rather a Domi or an established top-six winger, but it's an issue with cap hits at that point.
    5 avr. 2020 à 17 h 59
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    Quoting: BeterChiarelli
    So then this comes down to how we view Nurse? Or is it Debrusk?

    You specifically referred to him as a top-pairing defender. I don't think he's much more than a quality second-pairing defender, but that's more due to me thinking he doesn't have the complete toolkit to be a number one guy. If the issue is Debrusk, by all means name another winger, and I'd happily make the move. I went for Debrusk due to his playstyle and affordability. I'd rather a Domi or an established top-six winger, but it's an issue with cap hits at that point.


    A "quality second-pairing defender" still has about 3x the value of a 3rd line winger. The trade is really, really far off base.
     
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