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Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 2 avr. 2020
Publié: 2 avr. 2020
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  1. Danault, Phillip
  2. Price, Carey
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Cole Caufield
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Max Domi
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  2. Byron, Paul
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2 avr. 2020 à 21 h 48
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Why would the Jets trade Scheifele for that?
2 avr. 2020 à 22 h 15
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Quoting: Spleenmaster1002
Why would the Jets trade Scheifele for that?


I'm basing part of this trade to the reports analysing Kotkaniemi on his draft year. A chunk of them compared him to "Barkov" style/potential. Now I'm not calling him a bust by a long shot since he's still only 19. In the end you never really know. But I'm using the "potential" as currency/value in order to gain leverage to make it seem that the Jets aren't losing the deal ( worst case scenario) and (best case) Kotkaniemi turns out to be a perennial selke nominee and PPG center. And you're getting Domi who could definetly replicate his 70+ pt season if he plays in the top 6, he holds the gates till Kotkaniemi emerges.

In the end I wouldn't mind keeping them. Along with Suzuki theyd be a treat to watch...sooner rather than later hopefully.
2 avr. 2020 à 23 h 13
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So give me your breakdown on the valuing in that hawks trade...
Kane = Caufield + Danault
Toews = Price
?
Idk man. Just dont see it. Add Suzuki and its close I think
2 avr. 2020 à 23 h 33
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So give me your breakdown on the valuing in that hawks trade...
Kane = Caufield + Danault
Toews = Price
?
Idk man. Just dont see it. Add Suzuki and its close I think


It's simpler. They save 10 mill$ on top of what they're saving on Crawford and Lehner and spread it out on signing Kubalik, Strome, Debrincat and Danault long term, shoring up the D and getting a back up.

CHI gets an overpaid goalie and in return they give up the most overpaid #1C in the league.

I will not stick my head out and say Caufield will replace Kane's elitness but on paper he's supposed to become a perennial 40+ goal scorer.

CHI get set also for the future down the middle with Dach, Strome and Danault.
2 avr. 2020 à 23 h 44
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It's simpler. They save 10 mill$ on top of what they're saving on Crawford and Lehner and spread it out on signing Kubalik, Strome, Debrincat and Danault long term, shoring up the D and getting a back up.

CHI gets an overpaid goalie and in return they give up the most overpaid #1C in the league.

I will not stick my head out and say Caufield will replace Kane's elitness but on paper he's supposed to become a perennial 40+ goal scorer.

CHI get set also for the future down the middle with Dach, Strome and Danault.


The thing here is you can't necessarily bank on Caufield being elite, which is why I would include Suzuki. Also in terms of money being saved, technically yes, but they are losing value as they have nobody who cant step up and be that 1C (who btw still had 60 points this season so he isnt in decline) and nobody who is a gamebreaking talent like Kane. I would say Kane is still worth that contract. Toews is probably worth around 7 mil, so while we do save on that its not like its a horrendous contract. The contracts are also up in 3 years so they are pretty close, where as price has a while. Im not asking for like Marc Bergevin's firstborn son or anything but I feel like there has to be another significant piece added there, whether u think KK or Suzuki is worth more is up to you but I feel like if its for Kane and Toews while taking back the price contract, one of them has to come back as well
3 avr. 2020 à 0 h 41
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Quoting: SlickWilly
The thing here is you can't necessarily bank on Caufield being elite, which is why I would include Suzuki. Also in terms of money being saved, technically yes, but they are losing value as they have nobody who cant step up and be that 1C (who btw still had 60 points this season so he isnt in decline) and nobody who is a gamebreaking talent like Kane. I would say Kane is still worth that contract. Toews is probably worth around 7 mil, so while we do save on that its not like its a horrendous contract. The contracts are also up in 3 years so they are pretty close, where as price has a while. Im not asking for like Marc Bergevin's firstborn son or anything but I feel like there has to be another significant piece added there, whether u think KK or Suzuki is worth more is up to you but I feel like if its for Kane and Toews while taking back the price contract, one of them has to come back as well


I can't give more for 2 players that I have no guarantee they'll stick around in 3 yrs. Meanwhile CHI gets for the next 7-10 yrs Danault, who gets selke votes, Suzuki who's evident to be a career top 2 C also selke caliber, and Caufield who's supposed to be an upgraded version of Debrincat. I just wouldn't be able to give up so much future for 3 yrs of T+K. It is what it is I guess. And it's not like CHI needs more centers.
3 avr. 2020 à 0 h 46
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I can't give more for 2 players that I have no guarantee they'll stick around in 3 yrs. Meanwhile CHI gets for the next 7-10 yrs Danault, who gets selke votes, Suzuki who's evident to be a career top 2 C also selke caliber, and Caufield who's supposed to be an upgraded version of Debrincat. Danault. I just wouldn't be able to give up so much future for 3 yrs of T+K. It is what it is I guess. And it's not like CHI needs more centers.


CHI needs a top center. Dach and Strome are both 2cs, but we have no 1c. And to what you said, thats why this trade doesn't make sense for either team. The only teams that could go for Toews and Kane are the ones that have the cap space and arent in a playoff spot, and it doesnt make sense because it doesnt fit their timeline to give up 2 top tier prospects for guys who could walk in a couple years. Obviously this trade isnt going to happen in any real scenario, but it doesnt make sense for the hawks to trade them unless theyre getting 2 top tiers and a reliable center back just because thats what their value is
3 avr. 2020 à 7 h 31
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CHI needs a top center. Dach and Strome are both 2cs, but we have no 1c. And to what you said, thats why this trade doesn't make sense for either team. The only teams that could go for Toews and Kane are the ones that have the cap space and arent in a playoff spot, and it doesnt make sense because it doesnt fit their timeline to give up 2 top tier prospects for guys who could walk in a couple years. Obviously this trade isnt going to happen in any real scenario, but it doesnt make sense for the hawks to trade them unless theyre getting 2 top tiers and a reliable center back just because thats what their value is


I got D prospects if they want!!
But in all reality/probability they'll only trade them if CHI is a bubble team in the final yr of their contract, to a contender and they'll have to retain 50% cap.
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